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    How to get Access to: 104 Technical trading experiments by HUNTER

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    Post by yellow knife Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:27 am

    Topcat wrote:
    yellow knife wrote:I will be there but I dont have time for moderating and leave me alone on that.

    Topcat , since this is an experiment let few selected old members run it first.
    Ok. Now wht shld I do to my Ael which bought for this experiment??


    Now Hunter,,, its time to answer Topcat....
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    Post by කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:33 am

    I hope Topcat has read the whole thread fully at least once.
    Let's hear from him first, why does he want to join the experiment and based on his response, the experts like YK, Hunter, Back can assess and decide to recommend him or not.
    Over to you Topcat.


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    Post by Topcat Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:48 am

    කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා wrote:I hope Topcat has read the whole thread fully at least once.
    Let's hear from him first, why does he want to join the experiment and based on his response, the experts like YK, Hunter, Back can assess and decide to recommend him or not.
    Over to you Topcat.
    Thanks kithsiri for giving me a chance to express my opinion. You are showing good moderator skills Very Happy
    I am always interested in technical trading. Although I am not a expert technical trader, I know bit of it and hv traded using like MACD, RSI, Bollinger band, etc.
    I am also into demo trading of forex.. For those reasons I like to improve my practical knowladge on techs. So I was really glad when I see Hunter started real time, real money experiment with one of most popular method named  elliot wave theory. So in the beginning there was no restrictions and I just joined and when Hunter gave the signal I bought.
    That's all from my side..
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    Post by කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:53 am

    Thanks for responding so quickly.
    The experiment is yet to begin and am curious to know when & where did Hunter give OK for anyone a go ahead and buy?
    Topcat wrote:
    කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා wrote:I hope Topcat has read the whole thread fully at least once.
    Let's hear from him first, why does he want to join the experiment and based on his response, the experts like YK, Hunter, Back can assess and decide to recommend him or not.
    Over to you Topcat.
    Thanks kithsiri for giving me a chance to express my opinion. You are showing good moderator skills Very Happy
    I am always interested in technical trading. Although I am not a expert technical trader, I know bit of it and hv traded using like MACD, RSI, Bollinger band, etc.
    I am also into demo trading of forex.. For those reasons I like to improve my practical knowladge on techs. So I was really glad when I see Hunter started real time, real money experiment with one of most popular method named  elliot wave theory. So in the beginning there was no restrictions and I just joined and when Hunter gave the signal I bought.
    That's all from my side..


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    Post by yellow knife Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:58 am

    @ Hunter

    Please try to understand the gravity of the thread you have started.

    Topcat allow me to quote...

    1. So in the beginning there was no restrictions
    Now at the beginning no restrictions and later on...Why?


    2. I just joined
     new comer...

    3. when Hunter gave the signal I bought.
    What if many say the same.. Even this is an experiment, what if millions of shares bought just because Hunter gave a signal...


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    At times its better to retreat..

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    Post by Topcat Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:01 pm

    As I remember and understood he mentioned ael in current price. Isnt it? If not hv I started the experiment by myself.. Shocked Very Happy
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    Post by yellow knife Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:16 pm

    @Kith

    This is our problem when we are not fultime in forum...

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    How to get Access to: 104 Technical trading experiments by HUNTER - Page 3 Empty by Topcat on Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:40 am

    Very interesting Hunter.. So we buy at the begining of 3rd wave if volume indicator confirm it and sell after the 5th waves completed?
    One more suggestion. Looking at this I think its better to have a trailling stop loss.. Can we do that?


    Hunter answered..
    * Yes, as you said, buy at the start of wave-3; TP at the top of Wave-5; SL at the bottom of Wave-2

    @Kith this is the danger of being a Moderator of a thread where we don't even have time to fully read.

    I too wondered wether the experimenting already started or not..
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    Post by yellow knife Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:21 pm

    @ hunter,

    If you can see the big picture, this kind of experimenting can lead to pump and dump when public forums are used. Further someone will go to courts one day against Hunter for losing millions.

    Nice terms will be used against you and the forum then.
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    If I am the Lawyer representing Top Cat, I will quote the statements both of you have written above and prove that Top Cat is an innocent investor , who invested upon the words of Hutner and the Seniors like Kith, YK and Back were persuading directly and indirectly to buy AEL... Hence now I claim damages for Top Cat losing Millions from Hunter, Kith, Yk and Back...Further the Admin and the forum owners are responsible.
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    Post by කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා Fri Dec 06, 2019 12:30 pm

    Thanks, YK.
    Just curious whether those waves have started already?


    yellow knife wrote:@Kith

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    How to get Access to: 104 Technical trading experiments by HUNTER - Page 3 Empty by Topcat on Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:40 am

    Very interesting Hunter.. So we buy at the begining of 3rd wave if volume indicator confirm it and sell after the 5th waves completed?
    One more suggestion. Looking at this I think its better to have a trailling stop loss.. Can we do that?


    Hunter answered..
    * Yes, as you said, buy at the start of wave-3; TP at the top of Wave-5; SL at the bottom of Wave-2

    @Kith this is the danger of being a Moderator of a thread where we don't even have time to fully read.

    I too wondered wether the experimenting already started or not..


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    Post by HUNTER Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:18 pm

    I have limited access to Forum today. Noticed the posts above. Will give detailed answer probably on Monday.
    But for the time being...
    . Yes, the signal to buy was there
    . The TP ,SL and the time to hold were clearly defined. Therefore, no confusion should be there regarding what to do with the trade.
    . It was clearly mentioned how much we should risk in one trade. So, if someone risks millions in this experiment, he should be a multi Billionaire. We can discuss further on this.
    . Yes, Discussing shares can affect the price movement in the real market. But we can be careful to minimize the effect. This also we can discuss further..
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    Post by කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:53 pm

    Thanks Hunter.
    On a lighter note, in a worst-case scenario, we have someone in high place now to emulate if another decided to drag us through the legal system claiming damages.
    Second is that we all can meet all in real-world if something of this nature happens.

    HUNTER wrote:I have limited access to Forum today. Noticed the posts above. Will give detailed answer probably on Monday.
    But for the time being...
    . Yes, the signal to buy was there
    . The TP ,SL and the time to hold were clearly defined.  Therefore, no confusion should be there regarding what to do with the trade.
    . It was clearly mentioned how much we should risk in one trade. So, if someone risks millions in this experiment, he should be a multi Billionaire.  We can discuss further on this.
    . Yes, Discussing shares can affect the price movement in the real market. But we can be careful to minimize the effect.  This also we can discuss further..


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    Post by yellow knife Fri Dec 06, 2019 1:58 pm

    Hunter , take your time.

    This is the problem we all have. We don't have fultime freedom to only stay in the forum.

    At the same time remember the Legal System is improving. People are becoming more knowledgeable on their rights.

    This is what I just received.

    Colombo HC sentences and accountant of private company to 367 years in prison or financial fraud amounting to over Rs 2 Million

    Even Prabakaran and Potta Naufer got lesser duration.


    Hunter, take your time. Consult the real people who love and respect you. Rethink.
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    Post by The Invisible Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:19 pm

    How about trying to develop a model that can indicate when to buy and when to sell using technical indicators. I think if someone can research it and develop then it a matter of the investor himself can decide what to do rather than one pointing out so.
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    Post by nuwanmja Fri Dec 06, 2019 4:46 pm

    i sent joining request to this experiment thread. but still cant see that thread. actually i dont know technicals..but would like to learn.
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    Post by Ethical Trader Fri Dec 06, 2019 6:01 pm

    ?Where was this AEL recommendation made. Am I missing something.
    yellow knife wrote:@Kith

    This is our problem when we are not fultime in forum...

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    How to get Access to: 104 Technical trading experiments by HUNTER - Page 3 Empty by Topcat on Sun Nov 17, 2019 12:40 am

    Very interesting Hunter.. So we buy at the begining of 3rd wave if volume indicator confirm it and sell after the 5th waves completed?
    One more suggestion. Looking at this I think its better to have a trailling stop loss.. Can we do that?


    Hunter answered..
    * Yes, as you said, buy at the start of wave-3; TP at the top of Wave-5; SL at the bottom of Wave-2

    @Kith this is the danger of being a Moderator of a thread where we don't even have time to fully read.

    I too wondered wether the experimenting already started or not..
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    Post by Backstage Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:04 pm

    Let me try and isolate the original cause of the issue at hand.
    There have been many threads experimental and otherwise technically tracking stocks. The difference here is Hunter suggested we buy shares(albeit in small quantities)
    This difference caused concerns among some.(me included)
    This, including sloppy communication regarding the modalities involved and the manner in which the thread was restricted resulted in the two issues getting twisted and convoluted.

    My suggestion is to address the root issue. Dont ask anyone participating to buy shares. Create a hypothetical buy, say a virtual Rs.10,000 per share. And track it. Problem solved, open thread and we all live happily ever after.sunny
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    Post by Admin Fri Dec 06, 2019 9:57 pm

    yellow knife - you are correct. If this is open and everyone can see even at the small mention anyone can jump in and buy or sell.

    That is why it is restricted where by requesting the person acknowledges that they want to be part of it at their own risk. no post in the forum is a recommendation anyway. but this is extra barrier to safeguard everyone.

    Just request is not enough. there must be a way now it is subjective. but minimum no new ids and ids that have not been in active discussions because we dont know the intention

    I request not post anything related to any shares here. this is only explaining how to get access.
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    Post by Backstage Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:38 pm

    Admin wrote:yellow knife - you are correct. If this is open and everyone can see even at the small mention anyone can jump in and buy or sell.

    That is why it is restricted where by requesting the person acknowledges that they want to be part of it at their own risk. no post in the forum is a recommendation anyway. but this is extra barrier to safeguard everyone.

    Just request is not enough. there must be a way now it is subjective. but minimum no new ids and ids that have not been in active discussions because we dont know the intention

    I request not post anything related to any shares here. this is only explaining how to get access.

    Why not the same safe guards say for AEL thread and a whole host of other threads analyzing shares ?
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    Post by Admin Fri Dec 06, 2019 10:43 pm

    Backstage wrote:


    Why not the same safe guards say for AEL thread and a whole host of other threads analyzing shares ?

    please show this Backstage I will look.

    Point in this thread is if anyone is if by experimenting someone is encouraging to do specific trades. No one can ask anyone to buy or sell whether 1/- or 100000/-. Only because HUNTER is good old member and if it for learning purpose or in good intention this getting a place.

    if many have concern then have to ask the thread itself to close. but if few people want to try they can on their own. what do you think?
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    I think we are just over reacting only.
    We all are adults and we do things on our own volition.
    That is why we were taught පනින්න පෙර සිතා බලන්න කියලා.
    I think we should go ahead as planned.


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    Post by Backstage Fri Dec 06, 2019 11:31 pm

    Admin wrote:
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    Why not the same safe guards say for AEL thread and a whole host of other threads analyzing shares ?

    please show this Backstage I will look.

    Point in this thread is if anyone is if by experimenting someone is encouraging to do specific trades. No one can ask anyone to buy or sell whether 1/- or 100000/-. Only because HUNTER is  good old member and if it for learning purpose or in good intention this getting a place.

    if many have concern then have to ask the thread itself to close. but if few people want to try they can on their own. what do you think?

    Yes , this is the only thread suggesting such. Hence a possible solution I have given above. One that would not have the confusion of a restricted thread.

    Just a suggestion, lets wait till Hunt comes up with something workable.
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    Post by Topcat Sat Dec 07, 2019 4:10 am

    For an experiment, no one will buy shares more than he can afford. So as kith said we should go as planned.
    Anyhow I can manage my ael in my own way if I am not selected. So no problem. Thanks
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    Post by Admin Sat Dec 07, 2019 7:43 am

    Topcat wrote:For an experiment, no one will buy shares more than he can afford. So as kith said we should go as planned.
    Anyhow I can manage my ael in my own way if I am not selected. So no problem. Thanks

    No one should do any experiment more then they can afford to LOSE
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    Post by HUNTER Mon Dec 09, 2019 8:25 am

    Dear Friends,

    I like to take a step back and bring an open and broader view related to the starting of the,
    'controversial', 104... thread in to our perspective;
    by doing so, clarifying the intended objectives of starting the thread; as well as, clarifying
    what I did not intend to achieve.

    As most of you have noticed, I was out of the forum for nearly more that two years being an active member;
    due to, mainly, time limitations. That time limitation restricted me allocating any considerable time to
    market analysis activities also. Few years ago, I was in to both fundamental share performance analysis AND
    technical analysis. However, due to time restrictions, I had to let go the fundamental analysis part and
    move more towards Technical analysis.

    Through experience, I learnt, there cannot exist any technique, be it fundamental or technical, capable of
    outperforming the market at all times, at all market conditions. However, even a basic, simple technique; when used under special market conditions,
    with strict discipline, can outperform any market under special favorable conditions.

    Also, I learnt, the intellectual knowledge alone on markets or techniques is not adequate to develop
    that discipline in a trader. A trader need to gather experience, by walking along a controlled path for a considerable
    time in order to become successful as a 'outperforming' trader.

    As I observed, in this forum (Should be in any forum for that matter), there are posts to stimulate our
    intellectual knowledge but hardly any material to enhance trading experience.

    That's why I thought of starting this 'strange' thread; probably the first of its kind in this forum.

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    I should clearly clarify that, I do not intend, and I do not believe I will, get any material benefits out
    of this 'experiment'. And, I do not need the support of any thread to achieve gains in the market.
    And, again, I do not depend on my market performance to support my life at the moment.
    So, the whole idea behind starting the thread was, just to transfer and induce my experience and understanding
    with others.

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    To re-iterate the logic behind, executing the trades with real money: unless you put your real money in to
    a trade, you will never learn from that trade in total. It's like; you will never experience the taste of 'Sugar'
    until you eat sugar; or sour or bitter.
    To give another analogy: you may learn driving in simulator, but, in order to become a good driver, you need
    to hit the road and get experience. A diver with a constant fear of meeting an accident will never be a good driver.
    A driver with no fear of meeting an accident will not survive as a driver for long.

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    I, in fact, expected some controversy to get associated here, when starting the thread, since that was going to be
    the first of its kind in the forum. And there were hundreds of different interpretations one could come up with.

    Let me estimate the best possible and worst possible outcomes I can anticipate as result of the thread.


    Best Possible Outcomes:
    * Interested traders participate in this experiment and gain experience on technical trading
    * The participants gain skills to manage emotional aspects of the trading become successful traders
    * Participants will share the emotional experience they go through with others, and learn from each other
    * Eliminate mis-conceptions about trading and trading techniques
    * Optimization of when and how to use the applied trading technique in this experiment in real life later


    Worst Possible Outcomes:
    * The experiment not showing any conceivable result, leading to total disappointment towards technical trading
    * Some participants become too 'greedy' and as a result loosing all their money in bad trades
    * The experiment become too popular and as a result influence the movement of whole CSE in an unbalanced manner
    * Some participant mis-understand the objective of the experiment and loose their confidence and money on the way
    * Some parties with some hidden agendas join the experiment and try to sabotage the forum and its members work
    * Some unintended outcome goes out of control and develop in to some real life legal battles
    * Authorities get interests and take some legal action against the forum and members
    * The forum looses its reputation as a result of an unintended outcome of the 'experiment'

    It looks the possible cons of the experiment looks outweigh the expected pros.

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    Restricting the tread to a set of suitable member is also acceptable to me. In fact, I suggested some movement similar to that, to discuss high risky trades, about 4~5 years ago in this forum, as mentioned by @Yellow Knife.


    If majority of genuine members think so, I have no problem at all stopping 'the experiment' and the 104.. thread.
    I am by no means, emotionally attached to it. Smile

    However, I like to throw out some random questions coming in to my mind:

    - What are the chances that a trader loosing his money as a result of this experiment
    - What are the bad examples that might set as a result of this
    - Is it not good to discuss real time trades and shares openly?
    - Is it not good to indicate a buying or selling set up in the open forum?
    - Is it not good to promote investing in CSE due to high risks?
    - CSE and SEC seem heavily suggesting public investing in CSE; should the stop doing so?
    - Some share names are mentioned in some threads in this forum; is it bad or good?
    - Some counters are mentioned as value and fundamentally good; is it bad?
    - Some analysis suggest readers investing in certain counters or keeping without selling; is it bad?
    - Is it good to keep the investment forums open, as, it might influence some innocent public into investing in the markets an loose money.
    - Is it bad for interested 'innocent' investors giving a chance to experience real time trades in a controlled manner to experience what trading is about?

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    Post by yellow knife Mon Dec 09, 2019 9:01 am

    Now Hunter, I read your explanation fully understood. Lets take an oath like this and only the oath takers are the volunteers to this game.

    1. I Yellow Knife fully understand the risks of trading and will not blame Hunter or the forum under any circumstances for trading suggestions made by hunter.

    2. I Yellow Knife will only buy 1000 shares of the suggested shares at suggested times knowing the impact it will create if I buy more than that and therefore my buying will not create a bubble momentum.

    3. I Yellow Knife will sell the same share when suggested by Hunter and will not give anything to Hunter on the profit and will not blame Hunter on Losing and will not ask any claim for my losses.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    I believe the participants should take such an oath before taking part and only such should be considered as participants of the experiment.

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