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    Post by HUNTER Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:30 am

    Dear Friends,
    I am coming to the forum after a long break. Being away mean you miss a lot but, on the other hand, you can look at things more openly.

    I noticed there are lot of useful and thoughtful posts made by many of 'senior' as well as 'relatively new' members.

    Having said that, I noticed, still there is some opportunity for me to try filling some gaps related to technical trading. Technical trading fits my lifestyle also these days since I am yet to allocate time for those lengthy funda-technical analysis.

    GIVE ME YOUR VIEW HERE:
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    I am thinking of learning things in this tread using experiments, and sometimes the 'hard way'.
    My idea is to; decide on one technical trading technique; take one trade a week, continue for two years; and review what we will have experienced and learnt.

    This is an open invitation for all of you; you like to participate in this two-year-long experiment? Without knowing what the outcome would be? Take your calculated risks? Take your bets on market emotions?

    Let me know.....
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    Post by Topcat Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:47 am

    Im positive and eagerly waiting to taste the experiment.
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    Post by LSE Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:02 pm

    Dear HUNTER

    Welcome back to the team mate.... cheers cheers cheers

    HUNTER wrote:Dear Friends,
    I am coming to the forum after a long break. Being away mean you miss a lot but, on the other hand, you can look at things more openly.

    I noticed there are lot of useful and thoughtful posts made by many of 'senior' as well as 'relatively new' members.

    Having said that, I noticed, still there is some opportunity for me to try filling some gaps related to technical trading. Technical trading fits my lifestyle also these days since I am yet to allocate time for those lengthy funda-technical analysis.

    GIVE ME YOUR VIEW HERE:
    =================
    I am thinking of learning things in this tread using experiments, and sometimes the 'hard way'.
    My idea is to; decide on one technical trading technique; take one trade a week, continue for two years; and review what we will have experienced and learnt.

    This is an open invitation for all of you; you like to participate in this two-year-long experiment? Without knowing what the outcome would be? Take your calculated risks? Take your bets on market emotions?

    Let me know.....
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    Post by slstock Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:05 pm

    Hunter, I have not always been here.
    Came back recently due to a crucial time for CSE/Forum.

    But on 2-3 occasions , I was here I specifically remembered you and  
    posted a note for you also. Once one of your own threads.
    But I never heared back from you. So I kept quiet.

    Anyway , let see this new experiment of yours.

    Also there several important ( for this time)  threads you can participate
    if you like  to.


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    Post by Backstage Tue Nov 05, 2019 12:56 pm

    Why not 93 or 122 ? scratch
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    Post by nihal123 Tue Nov 05, 2019 1:09 pm

    සාදරයෙන් පිළිගනිමු.

    ඔබගේ මෙම අත්හදා බැලීමට සහභාගී වීමට  කැමතියි.

    වැඩි විස්තර කියමු කෝ බලන්න.


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    Post by HUNTER Tue Nov 05, 2019 3:14 pm

    Thanks all for your comments and interest shown.

    @SLS, I always had very positive interactions with you. Sorry for missing your comments in the recent past. Will check and see how I do some catch up.

    @ Backs,
    Once a week, 52 weeks a year = 104 experiments in two years.
    (I am just rationalizing the random number my friend, don't worry much)

    @Nihal, @Topcat, Probably you have already mastered your trading skills; probably not yet. Anyway, I will define my rules of the game first in this thread before jumping in to water.

    @LSE, you will be a good resource for me to depend on in this experiment. Hope you will hand there for next two years. Very Happy Very Happy

    I wish @Path, @Small and few others will join the discussion down the line.


    Meanwhile, all of you interested in technical trading, please think of a set up (technique) we can repeatedly use during next two years, once a week, to expect making a decent profit within an acceptable time-frame.
    We will be using that single set up for 104 times to see the validity of technical trading.
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    Post by serene Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:30 pm

    HUNTER wrote:Dear Friends,
    I am coming to the forum after a long break. Being away mean you miss a lot but, on the other hand, you can look at things more openly.

    I noticed there are lot of useful and thoughtful posts made by many of 'senior' as well as 'relatively new' members.

    Having said that, I noticed, still there is some opportunity for me to try filling some gaps related to technical trading. Technical trading fits my lifestyle also these days since I am yet to allocate time for those lengthy funda-technical analysis.

    GIVE ME YOUR VIEW HERE:
    =================
    I am thinking of learning things in this tread using experiments, and sometimes the 'hard way'.
    My idea is to; decide on one technical trading technique; take one trade a week, continue for two years; and review what we will have experienced and learnt.

    This is an open invitation for all of you; you like to participate in this two-year-long experiment? Without knowing what the outcome would be? Take your calculated risks? Take your bets on market emotions?

    Let me know.....

    Very Interesting.
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    Post by HUNTER Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:05 pm

    Here are my suggested rules of the game:
    Not in particular order.

    * We will stick to just one technique (one trading set up) to buy our trade. (We will discuss and decide on this 'set up' in coming days.

    * Once a week, we will find a counter with our 'set-up' and invest the pre-defined amount of money in this counter.

    * Once the traded counter reaches the intended profit level, we will sell and mark profits.

    * We will not execute any stop losses; i.e. not sell at a loss. In CSE, commissions are so high that taking stop-losses are mostly work against us.

    * Since we are not using stop-losses, we need to strictly control our risks by limiting the exposure on any single trade. So, we will put only 1% of our risk capital in one trade. That also means, we will have enough cash to execute nearly all intended 104 trades in this experiment.

    What do you all think?
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    Post by serene Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:28 pm

    HUNTER wrote:Here are my suggested rules of the game:
    Not in particular order.

    * We will stick to just one technique (one trading set up) to buy our trade. (We will discuss and decide on this 'set up' in coming days.

    * Once a week, we will find a counter with our 'set-up' and invest the pre-defined amount of money in this counter.

    * Once the traded counter reaches the intended profit level, we will sell and mark profits.

    * We will not execute any stop losses; i.e. not sell at a loss. In CSE, commissions are so high that taking stop-losses are mostly work against us.

    * Since we are not using stop-losses, we need to strictly control our risks by limiting the exposure on any single trade. So, we will put  only 1% of our risk capital in one trade. That also means, we will have enough cash to execute nearly all intended 104 trades in this experiment.

    What do you all think?
    my personal view. Sorry If i put negatives at the outset.

    Trading without a Stop loss /Not sell at a loss. I don't think its a good Idea.
    Better  is to set upon selling point in the same trading set-up or have a predetermined Stop loss before we get in to the position.

    In my view the one you stated will work  better in an investment on a share based on Fundamentals on Particular share or particular sector. Specially with the Interim's are coming we can find turnaround Companies.
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    Post by කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා Tue Nov 05, 2019 6:48 pm

    Know nothing about technicals but willing to participate in the joint effort.


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    Post by pathfinder Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:44 pm

    Good initiative Hunter,will contribute as time permits.

    These days I'm more concerned on LT trading than ST trading
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    Post by Leon Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:57 pm

    @ Hunter

    I'm also a good believer of technical trading. So, I'm in for the assignment.
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    Post by HUNTER Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:07 am

    Thanks @Path , @Leon , @Kith for comments and joining-in; happy to rejoin with you.


    serene wrote:
    HUNTER wrote:Here are my suggested rules of the game:
    Not in particular order.

    * We will stick to just one technique (one trading set up) to buy our trade. (We will discuss and decide on this 'set up' in coming days.

    * Once a week, we will find a counter with our 'set-up' and invest the pre-defined amount of money in this counter.

    * Once the traded counter reaches the intended profit level, we will sell and mark profits.

    * We will not execute any stop losses; i.e. not sell at a loss. In CSE, commissions are so high that taking stop-losses are mostly work against us.

    * Since we are not using stop-losses, we need to strictly control our risks by limiting the exposure on any single trade. So, we will put  only 1% of our risk capital in one trade. That also means, we will have enough cash to execute nearly all intended 104 trades in this experiment.

    What do you all think?
    my personal view. Sorry If i put negatives at the outset.

    Trading without a Stop loss /Not sell at a loss. I don't think its a good Idea.
    Better  is to set upon selling point in the same trading set-up or have a predetermined Stop loss before we get in to the position.

    In my view the one you stated will work  better in an investment on a share based on Fundamentals on Particular share or particular sector. Specially with the Interim's are coming we can find turnaround Companies.

    Yes I'm also, almost always, advise using stop-losses. If most of us here suggest using stop losses in this experiment, let's do so.

    Dear all,
    Please suggest what do you prefer; use a stop-loss or not?

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    Post by yellow knife Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:20 am

    Well come again Hunter... Let me be a silent observer in this thread.
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    Post by slstock Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:40 am

    Hunter,

    I thought I'd mention something, while am still here which you"ll might have not thought of. 

    I am not sure it is the plan but if you"ll are planning to pick 1 share  for trading and  group  buy  the same ,  it might bring unwanted issues  Wink 

    Just think about it


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    Post by HUNTER Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:41 am

    yellow knife wrote:Well come again Hunter... Let me be a silent observer in this thread.

    Hello @Yellow Knife ! I hope you will jump in to water later.
    Why not allocating a small % of your capital on this new venture?
    May be just for educational purposes... Idea
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    Post by HUNTER Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:50 am

    slstock wrote:Hunter,

    I thought I'd mention something, while am still here which you"ll might have not thought of. 

    I am not sure it is the plan but if you"ll are planning to pick 1 share  for trading and  group  buy  the same ,  it might bring unwanted issues  Wink 

    Just think about it

    Thanks SLS. As always your opinions are welcome.

    In fact, I also had the same question when planning this. The concept of, 'observer influencing the observed' is very much applicable to markets.

    My gut feeling is; the group may not be big enough to affect the overall natural movement of the counters we might choose. I am planning to select counters with enough liquidity at the given time.
    Also, we need to be careful when deciding on the set-up.

    Let's see how it goes. We will know after few trades.

    Please do observe and put forward your suggestions when we move forward.
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    Post by slstock Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:12 am

    HUNTER wrote:
    Please do observe and put forward your suggestions when we move forward.


    Forum is active now. Won't be here for   long.

    Already put so very much time into the forum  with  many topics and discussions
    ( which  I didn't see you  participate ) and moderating.



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    Post by Topcat Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:12 pm

    I am ok with or without SL... I will go with the majority
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    Post by HUNTER Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:08 am

    We'll do this regarding SL.
    At the buying stage, let the trading setup define the SL. Those who want can execute it if the price drops. Others can ignore the SL.

    In my case, I will ignore.


    Next; we need to think of keeping a trading journal for all trades.
    Anyone like to suggest how we should do it?

    Let's make this learning experiment interactive.
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    Post by කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:25 am

    I think YK keeps a good and trackable records and he is the right person for the Trading Journal is my opinion.

    HUNTER wrote:We'll do this regarding SL.
    At the buying stage, let the trading setup define the SL. Those who want can execute it if the price drops. Others can ignore the SL.

    In my case, I will ignore.


    Next; we need to think of keeping a trading journal for all trades.
    Anyone like to suggest how we should do it?

    Let's make this learning experiment interactive.


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    Post by LSE Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:32 am

    https://forum.lankaninvestor.com/t7932-mirror-of-predictors-prediction?highlight=mirror

    කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා wrote:I think YK keeps a good and trackable records and he is the right person for the Trading Journal is my opinion.

    HUNTER wrote:We'll do this regarding SL.
    At the buying stage, let the trading setup define the SL. Those who want can execute it if the price drops. Others can ignore the SL.

    In my case, I will ignore.


    Next; we need to think of keeping a trading journal for all trades.
    Anyone like to suggest how we should do it?

    Let's make this learning experiment interactive.
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    Post by Backstage Thu Nov 07, 2019 8:00 pm

    Interesting. If it means participants buying shares in real time, make sure that it is within legal parameters so that some troublemaker does not take advantage.

    I will participate to the best of my capabilities and also make some snide comments to keep the plate warm for the return of Guru YYji .
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    Post by HUNTER Mon Nov 11, 2019 1:05 pm

    LSE wrote:https://forum.lankaninvestor.com/t7932-mirror-of-predictors-prediction?highlight=mirror

    කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා wrote:I think YK keeps a good and trackable records and he is the right person for the Trading Journal is my opinion.

    HUNTER wrote:We'll do this regarding SL.
    At the buying stage, let the trading setup define the SL. Those who want can execute it if the price drops. Others can ignore the SL.

    In my case, I will ignore.


    Next; we need to think of keeping a trading journal for all trades.
    Anyone like to suggest how we should do it?

    Let's make this learning experiment interactive.

    Dear YK, Do you like the idea?

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