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Post by PANTOMATH on Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:59 pm

Very good explanations slstock
good topic to read about
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Post by yellow knife on Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:12 am

Ok...There were discussion on Dollar Cost Averaging and JKH.

Quotes

Small writes

My Buying strategy is - Buy in chunks.. And the golden rule is not to average down more than once
surely bottom cant be

Ying-Yang writes

5300 is the Rock bottom to happen in Dec

Xmart writes on Buffet strategies

but would his strategies suite common investors like us?

Smallville wirtes again

Im small man u noh, cant afford to lose

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When we were buying JKH in 2007/8 we were engaged in the Final Eelam war. 2008 December Global Fiancial crisis. No one knew the end of the falling and rock bottom.

I was not buying chunks and never stopped Dollar Cost Averaging. You can see the quantities and values I was buying and definitely I was not a Big Fish.

Can we follow Buffet strategies?
Does it apply to SL and CSE?

Ok..

Find whether following chart of my own trading , investing data give you some idea on above.


   

Seems I have to cut down the post into slices as ' Posted Message is Too Long"


DateCompanyMkt priceQuantityPurchased value
5/9/2006John Keels Holdings129.0050065,419.13
6/9/2006John Keels Holdings129.501,000131,343.39
22/01/07John Keels Holdings218.0010022,186.00
23/01/07John Keels Holdings205.0010020,792.13
23/01/07John Keels Holdings205.0010020,792.13
John Keels Holdings145
24/01/07John Keels Holdings201.0010020,386.43
26/01/07John Keels Holdings208.0020042,192.80
26/01/07John Keels Holdings206.0010020,893.55
20/02/07John Keels Holdings185.0010018,763.63
20/0207John Keels Holdings140.00202,800.00
12/3/2007John Keels Holdings180.0020036,513.00
16/3/07John Keels Holdings144.7510014,681.93
16/3/07John Keels Holdings145.0010014,707.28
26/3/07John Keels Holdings155.0010015,721.00
30/03/07John Keels HoldingsDividend
18/5/07John Keels Holdings143.7510014,580.53
4/7/2007John Keels HoldingsDividend
18/7/07John Keels Holdings129.7510013,161.00
15/8/07John Keels HoldingsBonus Fraction
16/8/07John Keels Holdings126.0010012,780.77

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Post by yellow knife on Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:13 am

Yes... slicing the message works


29/8/07John Keels Holdings129.0020026,167.65
29/8/07John Keels Holdings130.00283,695.78
29/8/07John Keels Holdings129.2510013,110.30
29/8/07John Keels Holdings129.2510013,110.30
11/10/2007John Keels Holdings127.2510012,907.51
11/1/2008John Keels Holdings121.0010012,273.80
26/2/08John Keels HoldingsDividend
4/21/2008John Keels Holdings119.0010012,071.00
4/21/2008John Keels HoldingsDividend
4/23/2008John Keels Holdings118.001,000119,681.50
6/27/2008John Keels HoldingsDividend
7/22/2008John Keels Holdings97.7540039,657.18
8/22/2008John Keels Holdings101.0020020,487.85
8/22/2008John Keels Holdings99.5050050,458.95
9/19/2008John Keels Holdings86.751,00087,986.20
10/7/2008John Keels HoldingsDividend
10/22/2008John Keels Holdings64.001006,494.28
12/16/2008John Keels Holdings57.7520011,716.13
12/23/2008John Keels Holdings50.001,00050,712.50
1/8/2009John Keels Holdings50.002,000101,191.74

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Post by yellow knife on Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:20 am

If you are an investor or a trader, keep your own data.

Your past will teach you more than anything else.

Now I traded JKH initially and the trading was fast buying and selling


DateSold atQuantitySold valueGainPercentage
11/8/2006170.0050083,788.7518,369.6228.08
11/8/22061701000167577.536234.1127.59

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Post by yellow knife on Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:27 am

What I sold at 170 reached 218.

So re-entered believing half heartedly the price will further appreciate. But unlike earlier 1000s , I bought in 100s so I can easily average if price falls. and it happened.

When it fell down to 118 I again bought a 1000 to average and with the view that we are nearing the rock bottom. It failed.

At 86 I bought another 1000 believing that it is the rock bottom. Wrong.

At 50s I bought 3000 beleiving that is the rock bottom and truly that was.

Finally I have invested around 1 Miilion averaging 102.90 and a good quantitiy to be sold immediately after ending war .

Had I bought Chunks?
had I not averaged?

Definitely Ying-Yang would come up with more profitable sloution showing how foolish I was. But my strategy worked for me.


10,3931,069,437.37
102.90

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Post by serene on Tue Oct 16, 2018 7:32 am

Thanks YK.
Your own mistakes; success should be the pillars of your trading strategy.
As trading; investment inextricably intertwined with your risk appetite and emotions .
There won't be another person who is a perfect match to your attibutes.
So it's up to us to formulate a strategy at which we are comfortable with.
So the past data will assist you immensely in formulating such.

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Post by Yin-Yang on Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:35 am

xmart wrote:
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for example, let's say someone bought JKH at 50 Rs at 2009 Jan. if he is a never sell investor as of now his capital return is 200%, 20% annualized return
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My friend,
How can that be 20% annualized?

In investments, we should talk of effective compounding rates.

It should be something like 14.1%
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Post by Yin-Yang on Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:42 am

yellow knife wrote:
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Definitely Ying-Yang would come up with more profitable sloution showing how foolish I was. But my strategy worked for me.

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Wait minute!
Dumping money in a sliding share is called a 'strategy' ?
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Post by yellow knife on Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:53 am

Yin-Yang wrote:
yellow knife wrote:
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Definitely Ying-Yang would come up with more profitable sloution showing how foolish I was. But my strategy worked for me.

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Wait minute!
Dumping money in a sliding share is called a 'strategy' ?


Ok call it options

If the share you purchased slide

1. Sell it at loss- stop loss

2. Do nothing- laissez faire

3. Average

What else can we do ?

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Post by Yin-Yang on Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:18 am

yellow knife wrote:
Yin-Yang wrote:
yellow knife wrote:
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Definitely Ying-Yang would come up with more profitable sloution showing how foolish I was. But my strategy worked for me.

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Wait minute!
Dumping money in a sliding share is called a 'strategy' ?


Ok call it options

If the share you purchased slide

1. Sell it at loss- stop loss

2. Do nothing- laissez faire

3. Average

What else can we do ?

The strategy is to know, what to do of that with which share.

What you do with JKH might not have worked for; say, GREG.
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Post by yellow knife on Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:22 am

Exactly.... Shares like JKH , COMB, you can hold.

Shares like TPL, Asiy, Vpel, Rexp etc if entered at the right price will give you higher dividend yield than FD rate.. so you can happily hold unless ground situation change...eg;Iran sanctions., electricity rates etc.

Shares like Greg, Blue, East, Lanka Cement, should not be averaged and just stop loss will work. Just trade

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Post by PANTOMATH on Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:30 am

Yes there is no holly grail that suites every share.Different buns needs different bananas.
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Post by කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා on Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:32 am

The best way to learn is to burn your fingers a few times.  Very Happy
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Post by PANTOMATH on Tue Oct 16, 2018 9:34 am

කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා wrote:The best way to learn is to burn your fingers a few times.  Very Happy
PANTOMATH wrote:Yes there is no holly grail that suites every share.Different buns needs different bananas.
Yes experience matters most,in every sector.
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Post by Ethical Trader on Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:22 am

Good advise. Thanks.
yellow knife wrote:Exactly.... Shares like JKH , COMB, you can hold.

Shares like TPL, Asiy, Vpel, Rexp etc if entered at the right price will give you higher dividend yield than FD rate.. so you can happily hold unless ground situation change...eg;Iran sanctions., electricity rates etc.

Shares like Greg, Blue, East, Lanka Cement, should not be averaged and just stop loss will work. Just trade
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Post by Yin-Yang on Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:05 pm

කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා wrote:The best way to learn is to burn your fingers a few times.  Very Happy
PANTOMATH wrote:Yes there is no holly grail that suites every share.Different buns needs different bananas.

First, learn to limit the burn to your fingers only.
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Post by කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා on Tue Oct 16, 2018 1:10 pm

To learn to limit, first, you must get burnt a few times YY.
(Otherwise, you will not know how far to put it).
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කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා wrote:The best way to learn is to burn your fingers a few times.  Very Happy
PANTOMATH wrote:Yes there is no holly grail that suites every share.Different buns needs different bananas.

First, learn to limit the burn to your fingers only.

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Post by Yin-Yang on Fri May 03, 2019 5:24 pm

smallville wrote:
Yin-Yang wrote:
smallville wrote:Wait till market turns.. All will return Very Happy

BTW.. turn is near....
But is it 5800?.....
5600??........ Or 5200?........
Or 5000?.. Hmmm.. u will know... EPS is coming lu neh?

Uhhh.. surely bottom cant be 4750 nuh?

My Buying strategy is - Buy in chunks.. And the golden rule is not to average down more than once

Cheers!!!


5300 is the Rock bottom to happen in Dec.

Want to bet something ?


Nuh.. Im small man u noh, cant afford to lose.. need CSE money for food...  I take your word and refrain from buying Razz

Still refraining from buying?
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Post by Backstage on Sun May 05, 2019 6:58 pm

Halo YY, hows water theory holding up these days ? lot of dehydration around noh ?
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Post by serene on Mon May 06, 2019 7:45 am

Yin-Yang wrote:
smallville wrote:
Yin-Yang wrote:
smallville wrote:Wait till market turns.. All will return Very Happy

BTW.. turn is near....
But is it 5800?.....
5600??........ Or 5200?........
Or 5000?.. Hmmm.. u will know... EPS is coming lu neh?

Uhhh.. surely bottom cant be 4750 nuh?

My Buying strategy is - Buy in chunks.. And the golden rule is not to average down more than once

Cheers!!!


5300 is the Rock bottom to happen in Dec.

Want to bet something ?


Nuh.. Im small man u noh, cant afford to lose.. need CSE money for food...  I take your word and refrain from buying Razz

Still refraining from buying?
Better to focuss on individual shares than the market as a whole untill uncertainity is ceased.

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Post by Yin-Yang on Mon May 06, 2019 10:06 am

Backstage wrote:Halo YY, hows water theory holding up these days ? lot of dehydration around noh ?

Not dehydration bro;

it seems there is some kind of hole in the pot and water is draining out.
You have two options;
1. Fix the hole
2. Find a new pot
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Post by Yin-Yang on Mon May 06, 2019 10:30 am

serene wrote:
Yin-Yang wrote:
smallville wrote:
Yin-Yang wrote:
smallville wrote:Wait till market turns.. All will return Very Happy

BTW.. turn is near....
But is it 5800?.....
5600??........ Or 5200?........
Or 5000?.. Hmmm.. u will know... EPS is coming lu neh?

Uhhh.. surely bottom cant be 4750 nuh?

My Buying strategy is - Buy in chunks.. And the golden rule is not to average down more than once

Cheers!!!


5300 is the Rock bottom to happen in Dec.

Want to bet something ?


Nuh.. Im small man u noh, cant afford to lose.. need CSE money for food...  I take your word and refrain from buying Razz

Still refraining from buying?
Better to focuss on individual shares than the market as a whole untill uncertainity is ceased.

You know what mate?

When someone is scared of something; he tend to focus on individual items only.

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Post by serene on Mon May 06, 2019 1:32 pm

Yin-Yang wrote:
serene wrote:
Yin-Yang wrote:
smallville wrote:
Yin-Yang wrote:


5300 is the Rock bottom to happen in Dec.

Want to bet something ?


Nuh.. Im small man u noh, cant afford to lose.. need CSE money for food...  I take your word and refrain from buying Razz

Still refraining from buying?
Better to focuss on individual shares than the market as a whole untill uncertainity is ceased.

You know what mate?

When someone is scared of something; he tend to focus on individual items only.


Then It is proved right. Wink

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Post by Backstage on Mon May 06, 2019 1:57 pm

Yin-Yang wrote:
Backstage wrote:Halo YY, hows water theory holding up these days ? lot of dehydration around noh ?

Not dehydration bro;

it seems there is some kind of hole in the pot and water is draining out.
You have two options;
1. Fix the hole
2. Find a new pot

dear Lisa dear Lisa......

1. Hole fixers incompetent and Holier than thou.
2. All available pots have holes.
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