1) I can argue on 2) 6) 7) D) in detail further.
But as he has reached you and convinced you, I will stop on those.
But I will make some further notes to make light on the controversial matters.
2)
On 4) you should ask him directly. He likes questions. He will give you an answer for sure.
Also do what Kass said if you wish as that is quite a test . There are other extreme tests one can do and lets
not think about it even.
3)
I do not know how to tell Arahath either. But what I do know is such a person needs to be very different ( exceptional) in behaviour, preaching , mentality , spirituality and social skills for me to render
my attention That is my expectation.
On Prathiharaya paama, the answer he gave on Neth FM cannot be contested or dis proven. Yes.
But to me it is not convincing enough.
Even for Catholics to attain saint hood , there is the concept of some miracle.
Leaving out miracle or Rdhi bala, except for his good understanding/reading of buddhist scriptures and his explanations,
I like to see other differences from him from regular person behaviour to convince me further he is the special
"envoy" he claims he is .
I state once again the last sentence he said on Neth FM, is even more controversial . Am not sure he should have said it if there is no Mamathwaya ( now you can argue he did not have thoughts in such though his words said so . But only he knows that and we should not go into a circular discussion )
Think of it this way.
Through online forums, I could have reached out to people in 2 ways.
i) Wait patiently for someone to ask me a question and only answer that or comment on non controversial posts.
I know that process will make less people who dislike me ( if any). I know the bolder we are the likely hood of upsetting
someone or making people dislike us becomes more.
People only throw stones at the Mango tree with ripe fruit right. ( unless they are mad)
ii) be more aggressive to post voluntarily often, convey/enforce ideas , generate discussion, tell people to control emotions, do regular updates, intercept discussions when going out of track ( according to accept social norm or personal norms ) to keep law and order etc etc etc
I have chosen number ii) .
Why?
Because I have goal. I am proactive and Type A. I wanted to be active , liven things up at the forum, do some duty from Admin perspective, stand up to my norms of justice , infuse balance to discussions , generate enthusiasm for younger people, inculcate thoughts outside stocks/money etc etc etc
I did such as I had bigger goals and I am simply Gihi ( no marga pala) . Ofcourse, I also admit there is an element of Mamathwaya in some things I state to give a more personal touch and simply because I am Gihi with weaknesses.
Now the question is , what is the excepted norm for Marga pala Labi person? Should he/she not be different to me.
The issue with the Thero's "state" he claims is : The behaviour pattern of the states is not defined or written anywhere clearly ( to my knowledge). So Thero can argue taking points and examples for his side and we can argue against it.
If he is prepared (more than any other people who asks questions) he cannot be defeated.
There will be people who believe him through his convincing powers and there will be others.
Do you think the Neth FM host and Mr Ariyasena was convinced at the end of the show going by answer Thero gave ?
There itself is a controversy now and more attention.
4) I noted the fact he explained things to you where others could not and you were taken by his knowledge and convincing powers due to that.
Though am not sure what your real goal of posting the original clip was ( as we all know he is controversial and many do not like him for his unorthodox behaviour ) I will presume you posted it knowing well there will still skeptics of his preachings and people will not have your personal experience with him.
But I did notice when I first commented on this thread there were less than 200 views. Now over a 1000.
Mainly the bigger discussions were generated due to controversy of Dane/eating meat.
Why did I bring this up?
When controversies are there there is more interest/attention.
Thero knows it and indirectly admits it in his speeches.
He also encourages it , likes it and apparently plans it intentionally also ( get people to scold you example + photo issue if my memory is right)
His reason to do so is to train/advance ones mind.
Now unless you have attained marga pala state ( if there is someone who has, he/she may not come out in public) ,
or have read all the major scripture of buddhism ( the complete tripitaka also, but then again that too is controversial as the translation can have altered meaning) how can one deny it ?
Let me put in a simpler example.
A lawyer can win a case by simply arguing for something that cannot be proven otherwise ( by the written law or people present.) Convincing the judge/jury depends on his skills of oration or the research he does to make it strong case so no one can oppose.
Does it always mean he/she is correct?
sashimaal wrote:Answers to below (as i understand) :
C.
1. Yes
2. Maybe, but no real proof about the latter part of the question
3. Once i asked a separate person who does Pranic healing about the Thero and to see whether He has attained any special level when it comes to Chakra (Chakra awadi kireema). That is not directly related to Maarga pala but will be some indication as to whether He is a fake or not. That person after checking confirmed that Pitiduwe Thero has indeed got to a certain special level when it comes to Chakra beyond a normal person. Any other person who has access to Pranic healing Teachers can also check whether what i am saying is correct. Just for information, Dalai Lama's level of Chakra measurement he gave was far above Pitiduwe Thero.
I do not know how to understand such a person (an Arahath). However, upto now no other person could also prove that he has not either (not that it means it is therefore correct). I have found that his teachings are right - but needs to understand He says certain things for certain people and different things to some other people based on their level of spiritual maturity (ex: positive thinking related matters will not be said in the same way for people with a higher level of understanding/for mentally strong ppl - as it does fool one's own mind).
4. Attention matter - i also have that same doubt. I have heard this question asked from him as well - even Neth FM people asked it. My thoughts are similar.
5. Because they have let go "Mamathwaya"
6. That needs lengthy discussion and is true. However all details were not discussed in that clip. That is linked to living in the present. Planning is one thing, expecting it to happen the way we planned is another. I will put a video on that when i find. Christianity also says the same thing.
7. If we "assume" that he has attained Arahath pala, still Vasana-guna will be there (which have come with his Samsara). So certain words and behavior could still remain even at his higher state. There are certain Rahath who have used "bad language" according to the scriptures..but their "intention" is not as what we think or how lays such as us would say/do.
D.
If he came to us...looking at the ground walking slowly and quietly without slippers even ...and sat on a small chair or on floor and said things very gently and mildly looking at the floor and kept very quiet...
MOST WOULD HAVE SAID "HE DEFINITELY HAS ATTAINED SOME SORT OF SPIRITUAL LEVEL ! "
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Anyway, as i said, I do not know whether he has attained Sovan even. I do not know how to check that. I have heard his teachings. When i have questions on them i write down and ask when i meet. I have not come across a better teacher of Buddhism - and i have listened to a lot.
Most importantly, i don't blindly believe him or his teachings (Kalama Suthra clearly says - Ma Samano no garu thi )
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slstock wrote:1) He is learned. He is well read. He knows stuff. I am sure he has experimented some things too.
2) But has he overlearned or has he taken his learning to twist and add his own extremist flavor ?
3) Has he attained Rahath or any of the "state" to that matter. I saw in newspaper he claimed he has attained
( to be clarified) Now a question will arise, does his behavior style display anyone who has attained a state of calmness and wisdom of person who has attained a state.
4) If someone has attained a state or has great wisdom , why does he want this much attention in different ways?
Example : He says one time "kiyala banum assaganna" ( get your self scolded).
okay maybe he is giving advice to others.
But why is he is trying to do that himself still if he has attained a state.
Take the a) the photo issue b) the recent Dane issue, as example.
I presume if he was okay to consume meat and if the upasaka upasikawo is presenting he can do it
in quiteness. But there was so much publicity on it. Why is so am not sure?
5) "Araya margayata pathkala uthumek widawata path karanna bae" .
Well I agree he has great oratory skills to argue and convince so at his monestray everyone who comes , come
willingly so he can convince.
6) He also says don't expect and just let thing happen. ( bus station example) . Do not schedule.
But to me he has expected and scheduled/planned certain events. ( Like the Dane and he was expecting people will
scold him ) He was prepared to justify the eating of meat by showing Buddha never said not to ( except 10 kinds of meat) . This exemplifies my point of number 5) also.
7) He often states words "little pissu" & "amuthu". He also says what he says is not written anywhere.
Okay. But ... there is big but there itself ( think deep)
I admit , being unorthodox is no reason to sideline anyone or dismiss what he says. I am myself very unorthodox and outspoken. So I understand the priest maybe of same character . There is certainly some truth in some of the things he states. But is it a mixture?
D)
Let me ask You one question ( Sashi) You don't have to answer me if you don't want to.
Do you see in him the signs or think he has attained Arahath?
If yes, then I am sure he will be able to convince you further. So I will stop.
If No, then the premise to believe his ways and what he says is broken. So I will stop.
E) I know that
saying and
convincing are 2 different things.
What my stand on this :
I take certain things he says as truth (as it make sense specially on a social context) and I will discard the rest.
Btw, what I just said , take what makes sense and discard the rest )also falls under a strong premise of Buddhism sashimaal wrote:Other than the controversial topic of eating meat, i can answer any question you have on what was discussed in the Neth FM discussion.
slstock wrote:Yes questions were asked and answers were given.
The very last sentence he said in the program probably is more controversial than the meat eating ( along with many other things )
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