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What happened to Malaysian flight 370?

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Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:47 pm
What kind of a statement if that from an authority ( if he made such). He cannot find the plane but maybe he will let us know about God and the end of the universe.

Someone is going to get filthy rich haha.

I am one of billions who will be waiting for his update on god and universe.


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http://www.theonion.com/articles/malaysian-airlines-expands-investigation-to-includ,35524/


The bottom line is that we have a sophisticated aircraft fresh off a safety inspection with no prior incident of malfunction, flying in good weather at a cruising altitude,” Rahman continued. “Why didn’t the pilot send a distress signal? Why aren’t we finding a debris path? What are we to make of the contradictory radar information? Where did the universe begin and can it be said to have a limit or an edge? What is mankind’s role in it? Is there a God? If so, what is God’s nature?”

“It’s too early to answer these questions right now, but I can assure you that Malaysia Airlines will get to the bottom of it,” Rahman added. “Our top people are on it right now.”
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Mon Mar 17, 2014 12:56 pm
cseinvestor wrote:What kind of a statement if that from an authority ( if he made such). He cannot find the plane but maybe he will let us know about God and the end of  the universe.

Someone is going to get filthy rich haha.  

I am one of billions who will be waiting for his update on god and universe.


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rainmaker wrote:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/malaysian-airlines-expands-investigation-to-includ,35524/


The bottom line is that we have a sophisticated aircraft fresh off a safety inspection with no prior incident of malfunction, flying in good weather at a cruising altitude,” Rahman continued. “Why didn’t the pilot send a distress signal? Why aren’t we finding a debris path? What are we to make of the contradictory radar information? Where did the universe begin and can it be said to have a limit or an edge? What is mankind’s role in it? Is there a God? If so, what is God’s nature?”

“It’s too early to answer these questions right now, but I can assure you that Malaysia Airlines will get to the bottom of it,” Rahman added. “Our top people are on it right now.”
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Rainmaker continues to find info from places most don't bother to dig. Very healthy for the forum. (not sarcasm) Keep it up mate.
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Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:32 pm
cseinvestor wrote:Which article said that ? What was turned off was the communication systems and transponders. Black box should be active but useless until recovered.

High time to rethink about Air plane real time tracking systems  and the designing black boxes.


Jana1 wrote:In one of the paper article, the editor mentioned if blackbox recorder was manually switched off by pilot then there wouldn't be any possibility to find what had happened in the flight during its final moment. Is that possible? I thought that black box cannot be controlled by pilot.

‘If the transponder was manually disabled then one can only hope that the black boxes were not also manually disabled,’ he said. ‘Otherwise, the truth will never be known.’ Read just before the British airways story...

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2581817/Doomed-airliner-pilot-political-fanatic-Hours-taking-control-flight-MH370-attended-trial-jailed-opposition-leader-sodomite.html
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[b]Was that Boeing 777 diverted deliberately? Not necessari[/b]
Those trying to draw conclusions from the information trickling from the investigation into the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 should go carefully.

It is plausible that, as Malaysia's Prime Minister asserted, the plane's flying for hours after losing contact with air traffic control was "consistent with deliberate action," but it's not the only logical explanation of the airplane's bewildering trajectory.

Statements that the Aircraft Communications Addressing and Reporting System was intentionally disabled, for example, leave out the fact that the ACARS is required to send the satellite contact requests (so-called "handshakes") that, according to news reports, were reported to have occurred for hours after the flight's disappearance.

The plane has multiple functions and channels connected to the ACARS and at least some of it must have still been working.
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For example, one part of this communications system is used for messages between the airplane and air traffic control (clearances, position reports, etc). Another is used to communicate, essentially with text messages, between the airplane and the airline. Messages can also be sent automatically for maintenance functions such as reporting faults and sending routine engine data. The range of functions that would have been available for someone to disable is not yet clear.

And at least one news report described altitude excursions between 45,000 feet and 23,000, which one pilot suggested might have been done willfully to render passengers unconscious. But this strikes me as behavior that would also be consistent with the airplane flying completely unattended with the autopilot off. Though these oscillations are larger than I might expect, it would be a natural behavior for the airplane to fly relatively large but gentle pitch oscillations.

This would be true especially if the airplane's auto-throttles were also for some reason disabled. There have been statements made that such changes could only be made by a skilled aviator, but what "skilled aviator" cannot hold altitude within 20,000 feet?

Incapacitation or something else that could prevent the crew from controlling the plane -- fire, collision, explosive depressurization -- could also be indicated, which wouldn't necessarily mean the cockpit was breached by anyone.

The airplane reportedly made "suspicious turns." However, it is the nature of those turns that will reveal if it was deliberate "heading" (directional) changes or if nobody was flying the airplane at all. If the autopilot was off and the airplane was essentially flying on its own, I would expect a variety of heading changes. These changes could be initiated by turbulence during flight.

If the airplane's routes were controlled intentionally by selecting the heading or by programming the flight management computer, the flight path would be very straight, then a turn that would last usually from 10 to 30 seconds, followed by more straight flight.
The mystery of Malaysia Air 370
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While a close-up analysis of the flight path would be required to determine the case, it seems that officials are not even sure if the flight path headed northwest toward Pakistan or southwest into the vast Indian Ocean.

On the technical side, the Boeing 777-200ER is a fly-by-wire airplane -- that is, movement of the controls is converted into electrical signals that interact with flight-control computers and instruct the plane's control surfaces on the wings and tail. Its characteristics may be able to explain much of the airplane's behavior.

With the autopilot off, the airplane will adjust the pitch (the up or down movement of the nose of the plane) to maintain a speed set by the pilot. It will pitch up if it's going faster than the desired speed and pitch down if slower. This is called pitch trim. Anyone who has flown even a small aircraft will be familiar with this concept. Therefore, when disturbed, it will fly a series of pitch changes as it settles down on the trimmed airspeed.

Pitch protections built into the system ensure that the airplane never goes too fast or too slow. Temporary input on the control wheel, or changes in the airplane's weight as it burns off fuel, temperature and other normal atmospheric changes along the course can initiate the altitude changes as the airplane continues to seek its trimmed speed.

Heading changes are also what I would expect to see in an autopilot-off situation. The 777's fly-by-wire roll control law controls the tilt of the wings. The airplane would be subject to atmospheric disturbances that could act to tip a wing up every now and then, but built-in protections prevent the plane from exceeding bank angles in excess of 35°. While a conventional airplane would tend to spiral down in that situation, the 777 incorporates automatic pitch compensation, so the airplane could easily hold its altitude in these turns.

The fly-by-wire control system on the 777 makes it a very stable airplane, capable of flying for hours with the autopilot off without crashing.

If the flight path can be shown to be very straight lines with neat turns followed by another straight line, then I would throw out the "autopilot-off" theory, but it seems as though officials can't even determine where the plane was heading, much less the nature and cause of some heading changes.

The consistent theme in the mystery of this flight has been very little data, and the exact nature of that scant data is vague and changing.

Whatever exact scenario can account for the possible incapacitation or deliberate actions of the crew, the loss of the transponder and other communications and the airplane's mysterious flight path is likely to be a situation we have not seen before.

I would urge that we not jump to conclusions based on inconclusive evidence. The evidence we have may be "consistent with deliberate acts," but it is also consistent with other explanations as well.
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Jana1 wrote:In one of the paper article, the editor mentioned if blackbox recorder was manually switched off by pilot then there wouldn't be any possibility to find what had happened in the flight during its final moment. Is that possible? I thought that black box cannot be controlled by pilot.

Yes. Pilots have no access to Black Boxes .
If they have designed the plane with manual controlled BBB by any chance , they are mad.
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Mon Mar 17, 2014 4:50 pm
Ukboy wrote:Sri lankan government should deploy some naval ships & aircraft to join this search mission. Then the international community would consider that as a positive move.

All these little things help to build the image.  

100% correct.

Our people are sleeping.
At least to check with fishermen in East coast for unusual floating material
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Mon Mar 17, 2014 5:06 pm
Jana1 wrote:Apologies for my previous mis calculation of 4.5-5 hrs.


Not needed. We worked hard but nobody sent a rescue craft on our calculations Smile

All of us are putting various theories based on varying facts we get time to time.
Somehow I think we were far ahead of the people who are  assigned in this study.

. If pilot plan to crash in the water there is no necessary that is travelled to far end. It could have crashed nearby somewhere. Most likely the landing spot was targeted- could be unsucceeded too.

Correct. That is our final conclusion.
I 'hope' they are still alive. No debris found in sea nor big fire reported/ recorded in land .
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http://www.dailymirror.lk/top-story/44636-mh370-sl-gives-over-flight-clearance-for-search-and-rescue-ops.html
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This is just a speculation !
Did they land in Australia ?  Surprised 

North Western and South western Australia has vast  desert areas and have they avoided powerful military radar by flying below 4000 ft ?

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chinwi wrote:This is just a speculation !
Did they land in Australia ?  Surprised 

North Western and South western Australia has vast  desert areas and have they avoided powerful military radar by flying below 4000 ft ?

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Flying below 4000 Feet for long time could lead to structural damage to the flight due to gravity factors.

Your speculation, probability is there.
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:20 pm
What is the motivation for landing in Aussie? I think they flew to nothern area and dont think passengers and rest of the cabin crew is still alive. no demands and no one to take the responsibility. The plane was stolen.
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 9:46 pm
Flying at 4000 with lower speed is possible. You need it only in Radar monitored areas to hide from screen. Somehow, fuel consumption will go very high shortening the endurance .

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Sri Lankan runways loaded in the simulator

Investigators today found the home-made simulator of the pilot has been loaded with runways of at least five airports in and around the Indian Ocean ,  Male in Maldives, Diego Garcia (United States Military Base),  and three other runways in India and Sri Lanka.
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Tue Mar 18, 2014 11:32 pm
The Pilot has studied Srilanka Airspace as per his flight simulator including India
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Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:33 am
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Update 19th Mar:

Residents on a remote island in Maldives claim they saw a ‘low-flying jumbo jet’ matching the description of the missing Malaysia Airlines plane in the hours after it disappeared.

Several residents of Kuda Huvadhoo, in Dhaalu Atoll, said they saw a white aircraft with red stripes flying so low over the island the plane’s doors were clearly visible.

Islanders claim they were disturbed by an incredibly loud noise at about 6.15am local time on March 8 and saw a plane travelling from north to south-east, towards Addu – the southern tip of Maldives, it is reported. (Note: Gan air strip is at the South most tip of Addu atol.  )

I’ve never seen a jet flying so low over our island before. We’ve seen seaplanes, but I’m sure that this was not one of those. I could even make out the doors on the plane clearly.

‘It’s not just me either, several other residents have reported seeing the exact same thing. Some people got out of their houses to see what was causing the tremendous noise too.’


http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/18/flight-mh370-residents-on-remote-island-in-maldives-saw-jet-matching-missing-malaysia-airlines-planes-description-4640688/


Note: There are strips in Gan Island (8700 ft , former UK base, now Maldives ) and Diego Garcia, (11,000 ft ,controlled by  US/UK military) South and SW  to these islands.
Diego Garcia was studied in the private Flight simulator of the Pilot.
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Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:20 am
With every news it sounds closer, this time looks like a possibility if the people are telling the truth. If so, they should have made a break-through by now!
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Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:22 am
Time difference between Maldives and Malaysia is 3 hours. It says the last ping set from the airline is at 8.11 A.M from Malaysia time. If Maldives people saw it at air at 6.15 AM from their time that means the plane was still flying at 9.15 AM from Malaysian time. Is it possible ?
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Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:42 am
seek wrote:Time difference between Maldives and Malaysia is 3 hours.  It says the last ping set from the airline is at 8.11 A.M from Malaysia time. If Maldives people saw it at air at 6.15 AM from their time that means the plane was still flying at 9.15 AM from Malaysian time. Is it possible ?

Good point !
Specially for a low flying aircraft fuel is burnt heavily shortening the flying time.


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Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:07 am
Somehow no international route over Kuda Huvadhoo and it is 170 km away from Malè Airport.

If a plane goes Southwards over Kuda Huvaduva it should be heading to Gan airport 310 km away or to Diego Garcia 1050km away.
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Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:45 pm
http://www.lankabusinessonline.com/news/maldives-probe-reports-of-possible-mh370-sighting/852757229
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Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:29 pm
Is there a possibility that Malaysian government buying time to negotiate with the hijackers?
Huge amount of funds spent in search operations !!
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Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:30 pm
We have to think again about the all the assumptions made by us using initial data came from Malaysians .

We do not know about the actual amount of fuel carried in the plane. Range of 777 with max load is over 14,300 km .( 15 hours)  
Did  they plan this before taking off ? Anyone helped them to load more fuel ?  

Time given by Maldivians is in tally with possible route and speed of the plane.

We do not know whether they managed  to more stable  flight levels in non-radar areas. ( If they were not dead )

Interestingly Kuda huvadoo is just out of the Radar visibility range of male airport.

Not only Malaysians, many other countries  hide the sensitive information they have.
Australian Jindalee Operational Military Radar Network has over 3000km range and they can even 'see' planes taking off from Singapore airport. Until now they keep silent about MH370.

As 'winner' said they may have unpublished sensitive info .
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Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:45 pm
chinwi wrote:
seek wrote:Time difference between Maldives and Malaysia is 3 hours.  It says the last ping set from the airline is at 8.11 A.M from Malaysia time. If Maldives people saw it at air at 6.15 AM from their time that means the plane was still flying at 9.15 AM from Malaysian time. Is it possible ?

Good point !
Specially for a low flying aircraft fuel is burnt heavily shortening the flying time.

Why those Male fisherman took so much time to reveal what they saw 12 days back?? I suspect their credibility.
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Thu Mar 20, 2014 10:45 am
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/missing-plane-objects-may-mh370-debris-031945103.html#yGFKeS8
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