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Future123 wrote:APLA is another typical example that higher NAV is irrelevant to be profitable.
With NAV of Rs. 275 APLA generates only Rs. 17 EPS with an ROE of just 6% whereas a company like REXP with an EPS of Rs. 37 and with an NAV of Rs. 111 generates an ROE of 35%.
What is important is the dynamics of management, product diversification and risk mitigating strategies. REXP is far more superior than APLA and many other companies in this regard.
Another example with very high NAV and average earnings are CDB and ALLI. Compared with VFIN both CDB and ALLI have much higher NAV but when you consider profitability and ROE, VFIN stands the best.
Future123 wrote:APLA is another typical example that higher NAV is irrelevant to be profitable.
With NAV of Rs. 275 APLA generates only Rs. 17 EPS with an ROE of just 6% whereas a company like REXP with an EPS of Rs. 37 and with an NAV of Rs. 111 generates an ROE of 35%.
What is important is the dynamics of management, product diversification and risk mitigating strategies. REXP is far more superior than APLA and many other companies in this regard.
Another example with very high NAV and average earnings are CDB and ALLI. Compared with VFIN both CDB and ALLI have much higher NAV but when you consider profitability and ROE, VFIN stands the best.
hariesha wrote:APLA is an another classic example of exploiting minority shareholder rights. Go through the financial statements carefully. I believe management of this company should send to jail.
I saw a senior member promoting this share in the past. No harm on trading these counters depending on the opportunity. But it's my opinion that we should not invest in these companies who does not respect shareholder rights irrespective of the size of holding.
Ethical Trader wrote:This forum is for genuine professionals & students of investment/trade in stocks and not for manipulators. We should make use of facts and professional ratios in that regard.
It appears that some use irrelevant or wrong facts to compare ROE & ROI of certain shares. This is a dangerous trend & misleading the genuine investor/trader.
malanp wrote:Let me put my thought on this personal ROI
When an investor buys a share he outlay cash from his pocket. To calculate the return he should take what comes to his pocket from his investment..
What comes to his pocket is dividend and capital gain..
So the calculation for the Personal ROI should be.
Dividend+capital gain/ price paid for the share.
Company EPS does not belong to the investor, it goes to company bank account. what investor gets from the company is only dividend..
The Alchemist wrote:malanp wrote:Let me put my thought on this personal ROI
When an investor buys a share he outlay cash from his pocket. To calculate the return he should take what comes to his pocket from his investment..
What comes to his pocket is dividend and capital gain..
So the calculation for the Personal ROI should be.
Dividend+capital gain/ price paid for the share.
Company EPS does not belong to the investor, it goes to company bank account. what investor gets from the company is only dividend..
you are right but you misunderstood my point.
i was just comparing company roe vs personal roi. even for roe, you dont get the return, the company does.
so if rexp makes 37 rupees a share, nav is 130, market price is 170, your return costs 37/170. although the companies roe is much higher at 37/130. in either instance, your actual return is only the dividend.
slstock wrote:hariesha wrote:APLA is an another classic example of exploiting minority shareholder rights. Go through the financial statements carefully. I believe management of this company should send to jail.
I saw a senior member promoting this share in the past. No harm on trading these counters depending on the opportunity. But it's my opinion that we should not invest in these companies who does not respect shareholder rights irrespective of the size of holding.
Hariesha ,
Sha. Am glad after all these years you are now finally concerned about Promoters , Demoters and other cunning people. We should expose them . Let me help you.
Can you name this Senior who promoted APLA to increase price falsely
and dump on the others? Such people should be exposed right?
But , as we are gentleman we need to be reasonable with proof before we expose/attack
such I guess. I hope you agree .
So did this Senior do the below or not by chance?
1) Did he first talk about it when maybe ACL was Rs 60+ ( before split) and APLA around Rs 80-100?
2) Did he strongly condemn too the ACL management for treating APLA as Bank/Cash cow
when he talked about APLA before it ran ?
3) Did APLA run to Rs 230 , when it achieved a Rs 60 eps with NAV os Rs 260+?
If so that would be a massive gain for people who followed from Rs 100 -230 right?
4) Did he do an educational post once in way updating APLA or did he make
continous posts every other day giving manipulated FACTS and figures to
promote/demote the share for his agenda ?
As you are about to uncover this dirty senior , I just wanted to make sure we are
fair and decent people so you cover our bases before we do that.
Else it might backfire if you/we don't have facts to show.
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