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Post by yellow knife on Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:30 pm

Thanx ET

However the new economists of Korea did many other market reforms to curb Chaebols. Its like trying to crush crony capitalists in SL now.

New Korean Administration under Chun Doo Hwan developed stock market. In return they expected that market will discipline Chaebols. But getting listed made Chaebol access to low cost funds and to retain family ownership and to free from new banking restrictions. 

NBFI sector was liberalized. Allowed to multiply in growth these institutions offered higher interest rates than banks and increased their share of deposits from 25% in 1976 to a dominant 63% in 1989.

If 100% deposit guaranteeing is ensured in Sri Lanka we can see a similar shift of deposit base from banks to NBFI sector.

Unlike banks, Chaebols achieved the direct control of many NBFIs- a dangerous development.


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Even in Sri Lanka our Holding Companies own NBFIs . So if you consider following as big holding companies of Sri Lanka , most of them own their own NBFI. Richard Pieris started their finance company Arpico Richard Pieris Fiance and its not a listed company. Softlogic owns Softlogic Finance. JKH which is missing in the list own NTB a bank. LOLC another holding company missing in the chart is basically into finance.

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Post by yellow knife on Tue Dec 01, 2015 3:53 pm

The Korean situation did not run out of control until 1993. When Kim Young-Sam's government was persuaded by IMF and its own pro-free market economists to lift capital controls and deregulate short-term offshore borrowing the Korean situation started to shatter. With this a flood of shot-maturity foreign debt coming into Korea between 1994-1997.

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Post by yellow knife on Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:05 pm

Despite this, the fact that a relatively smaller proportion of credit in Korea had been directed to non-productive activities like real estate. Therefore country recovered fast and strongly in 1999.

As with earlier crises, government orchestrated mergers and business unit swaps among the Chaebol in order to pare outperforming subsidiaries. It was in this shake-out that Chung Ju Yung's Huyndai acquired Kia.

The difference in this crisis is Korea for the first time had to heed IMF and do structural changes in the financial system.

Thus Korea got more Independence for Central Bank, wholly independent commercial banks, large foreign controlled banks and much increased rights for independent investors of share market.

Despite wobbles as happened in year 2000 so far the deregulated system has not produced another crisis.

However these precise timing of transmissions helped the country and delaying to heed Anglo-Saxon financial system was healthy for Koreans.

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Post by yellow knife on Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:13 pm

Chaebols remain powerful even now

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Post by yellow knife on Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:21 pm

Patriotism is a concept that a country should promote among its citizens.

Since General Park Chun Hee era, monuments of ancient war heroes were erected to create patriotism among its citizens. Movies , songs and literature is used to promote patriotism.

In a crisis ( be it financial or otherwise) it is the patriotic people who comes first to sacrifice.

Korean Citizens donated Gold to State to overcome financial crisis and it is the first time it happened ever in the world.

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In 1997, many countries in Asia’s Pacific Rim suffered from a massive financial crisis which threatened to spread across the world. Foreign debt to GDP ratios exceeded 180% at the peak of the crisis.Six different nations felt the economic struggles as capital fled their countries, and the International Monetary Fund provided $40 billion (U.S.) to help keep South Korea, Thailand, and Indonesia afloat. As economies got more and more troubled, governments tried more and more ideas.

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Post by yellow knife on Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:22 pm

In January of 1998, South Korea began a campaign called “Collect Gold for the Love of Korea.” At the time, South Koreans, collectively, owned a total of 2,000 tons of gold then worth about $20 billion. That would have gone a long way to lessen the debt burden the country was suffering from. But gold, being hard to track and therefore hard to confiscate, could not simply be collected by edict and threat of force. (And even if it could, it was unlikely that the public would go for it.) So South Korea took another approach. The government simply asked its citizens to turn in their gold voluntarily


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Post by yellow knife on Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:24 pm

We in Sri Lanka, specially our unions create a view that employer and large firms are bad. Even the FM use the term crony capitalist.

But in Korea, its the same Chaebols that come forward in a time of crisis.

On January 5, 1998, the program launched with the support of three major corporations (Samsung, Daewoo, and Hyundai) collecting and donating gold, thereby showing that this was not just the government getting involved. [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], as the program was in full swing, noted that “housewives gave up their wedding rings; athletes donated medals and trophies; many gave away gold ‘luck’ keys, a traditional present on the opening of a new business or a 60th birthday.” Within the first two days of the program, [You must be registered and logged in to see this link.], over 100,000 South Koreans donated north of 20 tons of gold worth over $100 million. The response was so great that officials stopped announcing the results of the gold collection. Due to the amount of gold newly on the market, they feared too that the donations would soften international gold prices.


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Post by yellow knife on Tue Dec 01, 2015 4:25 pm

It is likely that, in total, roughly $150 to $200 million in gold was collected — a small and probably meaningless dent in the country’s debt, given that the country received a bailout in excess of $50 billion. But the symbolic aspect resonated, as Korean citizens realized the gravity of the crisis and rallied, showing a willingness to accept other efforts to help. By the end of 1999, South Korea believed the economic slowdown over


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Post by blacknights on Tue Dec 01, 2015 5:17 pm

Important lessons from Korea's past. Thank you yellow knife. I really liked the part of the article where it explains how patriotism and unselfishness contribute towards collective economic prosperity. This must be the way forward for our country too.
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Post by pjrngroup on Wed Dec 02, 2015 8:54 am

Thank you so much YK for sharing this valuable things.

I am thinking how can we teach this to  the politicians in our parliament. there are few who can understand this in our parliament, but there are more who can't understand at all.

one of  the good move that the President called upon  the professionals living aboard to  come back to  our country, it  is some sort of Patriotism coming from the  head of the state.

Many professionals  left the county because of the war and during previous regime and be part of other's country's development.

We need a attitude change.
We need to  educate our young generation.  

The change should come from the top. so then people will follow.

I am not a supporter of any political group.

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Post by slstock on Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:08 am

Pjrngroup:

Some good points you made.

1) Some issues like "upon  the professionals living aboard to  come back to  our country, it  is some sort of Patriotism coming from the  head of the state. "

Hmm, that am notsure. But this matter is something that should be discussed in deep.
Asking only will not help. There are deeper issues that needs to be addressed.


2)
"We need a attitude change.
We need to  educate our young generation.  

The change should come from the top. so then people will follow.

I am not a supporter of any political group."


Glad you started commenting.


YK,

keep the good info coming in the thread. Thank you.

pjrngroup wrote:Thank you so much YK for sharing this valuable things.

I am thinking how can we teach this to  the politicians in our parliament. there are few who can understand this in our parliament, but there are more who can't understand at all.

one of  the good move that the President called upon  the professionals living aboard to  come back to  our country, it  is some sort of Patriotism coming from the  head of the state.

Many professionals  left the county because of the war and during previous regime and be part of other's country's development.

We need a attitude change.
We need to  educate our young generation.  

The change should come from the top. so then people will follow.

I am not a supporter of any political group.

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Post by pjrngroup on Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:28 am



SLS,



1)''Hmm, that am notsure. But this matter is something that should be discussed in deep.
Asking only will not help. There are deeper issues that needs to be addressed.''


Yes I totally agree with you, asking only will not help, but there is a starting point, they have to continuously work on that matter as you have said ''There are deeper issues that needs to be addressed.''

2)
"We need a attitude change.
We need to  educate our young generation.  

The change should come from the top. so then people will follow.

I am not a supporter of any political group."


Glad you started commenting. ''


Thank you for your appreciation.


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Post by yellow knife on Wed Dec 02, 2015 9:55 am

1.  view on asking professionals abroad to come back.

Israelite call it brain circulation. So you work abroad and come back do your contribution capital and technology and go back..

Chinese use the term Sea Turtle. ( for me that's a nonsense term.. Turtle are anyway sea based and tortoise is  land based.. Yet even in Disney cartoons turtle is used for land based) .. As per Chinese the turtle return back to the place it was born after many years to visit..to lay eggs on the same spot...etc..
Chinese intellectuals who got education elsewhere specially US return back in late 30s of their life to contribute back.
Zhou the Governor of People's Bank of China ( their Central Bank) is a sea turtle.

2. Attitude issue...

educate the young... That's what I am doing.. When I was in grade 5 there was a Knowledge Competition in Mihira Paper organized by China Friends society.

Who is Sun-Yat Sen, What is Kuo min tang were the questions that I answered properly thanks to the books available for me to read in Sinhala then..(my parents and grand parents of both sides were teachers)..So like a Jew Family we had access to books and not internet or Wikipedia then. i won the knowledge contest...Today grade 5 Children must be more knowledgable than us then thanx to Internet  , aren't they ?

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Post by කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා on Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:09 am

Do we have the right environment for foreign educated to return back?
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Post by slstock on Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:11 am

No.

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Post by කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා on Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:31 am

I will tell you another story now.
My sister in law holds two doctorates (transport / construction related) from two of the best universities in USA and she was asked by Mrs Athulathmudali to come and help her during her tenure as a minister.
She refused because, if comes she will be treated as a political appointee and she will the first one to get the axe when Mrs A loses her position in politics.
She is still a housewife and wants to help the country but the prevailing situation does not allow her or others in similar situation to think of returning back.

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Post by yellow knife on Wed Dec 02, 2015 10:45 am

A professor came to head State Engineering Corporation under MR regime and then the ministry was under Wimal. Now the same professor is a minister from National List of UNP

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Post by yellow knife on Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:26 am

Ok...after interval lets get back to banking studies.

This time its Taiwan. So far we discussed about Japanese and Korean banking system. Yet Taiwan is another different story.

Now to start up about Taiwan that's an island near China. When Chinese Communists took power its Nationalists split and under the leadership of Chiang Kai Shek fled to Taiwan and became rulers of this tiny island with the hope of capturing China back one day.

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Post by yellow knife on Thu Dec 03, 2015 7:54 am

Taiwans  took the most conservative approach to financial management. Compared with Korea, there were higher interest rates, higher savings rates and ( hence domestic money to invest with less need for foreign borrowing ), lower inflation, far fewer non performing loans and nothing like the repeate3d banking and balance of payment crisis. Even the Asian Financial crisis pass Taiwan by. Yet Taiwan lost its considerable GDP per capita lead over Korea in the 1990s and by 2010 was USD 2000 behind.


GDP per capita (1980-2011)
South Korea vs Zhejiang; Taiwan vs Shanghai

Population
South Korea & Zhejiang - 50 mil
Shanghai & Taiwan - 20 mil

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Post by yellow knife on Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:02 am

I know that reading below is not interesting.
So why not use following link that compare and contrast South Korea, Japan and Taiwan in a nice PDF uploaded by someone-else . Its the same three countries we have discussed is summarized and presented nicely.

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[size=33]Similarities and Differences with[/size]
[size=33]Japan[/size]

Growth with economic equity and recent rise in inco
me
gap

High emphasis on (primary and secondary) education

Openness toward foreign knowledge/technology

Chaebol
(財閥
,
재벌

vs. Keiretsu
(系列)

Chaebol’s economic and political roles

The extent of government control

Role of the press

Debt-based vs. equity-based financial relationships

Behavior of risk taking, moral hazard

Low fertility rate

Low women participation rate

Rising labor cost; “sandwich economy”?
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[size=30]Capital flows: Korea, China, and[/size]
[size=30]Japan[/size]
-.5
-.4
-.3
-.2
-.1
0
% of GDP
1970
1980
1990
2000
2010
year
Net Portfolio Inv. (% of GDP) Net FDI (% of GDP)
Net debt (% of GDP)
Korea's K-flows
-.2
0
.2
.4
% of GDP
1970
1980
1990
2000
2010
year
Net Portfolio Inv. (% of GDP) Net FDI (% of GDP)
Net debt (% of GDP)
Japan's K-flows
-.3
-.2
-.1
0
.1
% of GDP
1970
1980
1990
2000
2010
year
Net Portfolio Inv. (% of GDP) Net FDI (% of GDP)
Net debt (% of GDP)
China's K-flows
Higher and more volatile inflation in Korea
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[size=33]Similarities b/w Korea and Taiwan[/size]

Neighboring a communist nation

Political and geopolitical complexity + Long period
of
political restriction

Fuzzy relationship with the U.S. (recently for Kore
a,
historically for Taiwan)

Complex relationship with Japan (historically for
Korea; recently for Japan?)

Complex relationship with China

High growth with economic equity

Productivity improvement in the agricultural sector
occurred as a result of land reform, yielding excess
labor that can be absorbed by the manufacturing
sector
[size=33]Similarities b/w Korea and Taiwan[/size]

Early abandonment of ISI

Small domestic market

Little natural resources

Reduction in U.S. aid

Higher dependency on exports than Japan

Follow industrialization process; industries for wh
ich
Japanese labor becomes expensive tend to migrate
to Korea or Taiwan

Traditionally, imports from Japan and exports to the
U.S.

Currently, China is the largest trading partner for
both

Current account surplus against the U.S.

Protectionist policy in the agricultural sector
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[size=33]Differences b/w Korea and Taiwan[/size]

Ethnic homogenuity vs. Ethnic rifts

Government’s initiatives in industrial policy and i
ts
relations with the private sector

Corporate finance: more dependency on bank lending
in Korea than in Taiwan

Despite different paths of financial development,
both lagged in developing and applying appropriate
risk management

Corporate finance: more reliance on capital markets
in Taiwan

Public fin. institutions did not play an important
role
in Taiwan
[size=33]Differences b/w Korea and Taiwan[/size]

Chaebol-oriented vs. SMEs-oriented

More stable macroeconomic management in Taiwan
(e.g. inflation, public finance)

Taiwan: Much less reliance on foreign K

Taiwan: More favorable S-I balance

Korea: More active in financial liberalization in t
he
1990s (esp. FDI)

More active labor unions in Korea

Chaebols vs. mobs

“Hollowing out” of industries to China
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[size=33]Characteristics of Taiwan’s miracle[/size]

IP in heavy industries in the early ’70s

Steel, petrochemical, shipbuilding

1975 – semiconductor project

Not so much public financing involved except for
above

SMEs as major players

Horizontal relationship b/w corporations unlike ver
tical
relationships in Korea or Japan

Fluid labor markets, open to foreign knowledge

Firms are not so reliant on bank lending as in Kore
a
or Japan

Low debt ratio.

However, risk analysis isn’t not well-established.


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Post by කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා on Thu Dec 03, 2015 8:36 am

Thanks YK.
(The last post is in disarray & hope you will repost it soon).
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Re: Banking Sector

Post by yellow knife on Thu Dec 03, 2015 1:32 pm

Above post is just a copy and paste of the PDF I mentioned. Anyway visiting the link you will get the real presentation of it. Thanks Kith and I will re arrange it.

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Unlike Korea, Taiwan relied mostly on small companies for export and manufacturing. As government was not directing and pushing the manufacturer its industrialist remain as a supplier to more powerful multinational corporations. This was not surprising as Kuomintang ( the ruling party) determination to keep most of the large-scale business under state ownership.

Kuomintang nationalized the main Taiwanese banks to state well before it fled to the island from Mainland China. The Civil war in China in 1949 forced Kuomintang or the Nationalists to leave China to Communist Mao.

In 1983 a researcher assembled and analyzed data of Korean and Taiwan bank loans and found

1. In Korea 70% of the  entire bank credit was consumed by 400 Korean companies ( including 137 Chaebols)

2. In Taiwan 333 Taiwan companies took only 30% of the entire  bank credit.

Long-term strategic loans for private sector was not hardly flowing from Taiwan Banks.

This is not the way loans are directed by MITI of Japan or EPB (Economic Planning Board ) of Korea.

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Re: Banking Sector

Post by malanp on Fri Dec 04, 2015 8:43 am

The president calling for professionals to come back to country is wrong.. it shows he himself does not know what  the country is.. 


still Sri Lankan business enviornment, public and private both, is not suitable for foreign experienced, challenging professionals.


it needs YES men, make his boss happy,, and less  challenging, less creative, and less straight talking professionals..a typical Sri Lankan made..

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Re: Banking Sector

Post by chutiputha on Sat Dec 05, 2015 8:34 am

How this will effect ? Razz

The 2016 budget proposed to charge a certain amount on withdrawals of cash from banks. This proposal stated that a charge of two per cent would be imposed on cash withdrawals of Rs. 01 million to Rs. 10 million and three per cent on cash withdrawals of over Rs. 10 million.

Accordingly, if a depositor withdraws Rs. 01 million from his/her deposits then he/she would have to pay the bank Rs. 20,000 as charges.
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Re: Banking Sector

Post by slstock on Sat Dec 05, 2015 8:43 am

I presume this is for CASH only withdrawals.
If you transfer online within account to account, asks for a bank Draft
or say bills pay bills etc online its should not count?


Anycase I saw banks have not been given a directive by Finance ministry yet.

This can get tricky as their previous usual hasty proposals.

How do you calculate ?

What if someone needs Rs 1.2 million for house repair? Should he get taxed too?

What if they need to withdraw Rs 2 laks in CAsh at a time for 6 times within 1 month

Are they going to accumute it?




chutiputha wrote:How this will effect ? Razz

The 2016 budget proposed to charge a certain amount on withdrawals of cash from banks. This proposal stated that a charge of two per cent would be imposed on cash withdrawals of Rs. 01 million to Rs. 10 million and three per cent on cash withdrawals of over Rs. 10 million.

Accordingly, if a depositor withdraws Rs. 01 million from his/her deposits then he/she would have to pay the bank Rs. 20,000 as charges.

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