Re: Full-Report-of-OHCHR-Investigation-on-Sri-Lanka

[kassTop contributor]

My view is that RW should show his colors and soften the stance of US with out giving 100% of what they want. Let's see how things go

The US has always backed its friends even the crappy ones like Saudi and Israel let's see what they deliver for Ponil.

Problem is at what cost they will back us? any idea? don't thing only good governence is enough for them

[kassTop contributor]

ET what is your view on the report?

The report deals with human rights violations, (not crimes) and does not name any person/s responsible.

It allows the country concerned to name the names and to see whether there were any criminal charges against them and take appropriate action acceptable to all concerned.

So called recommendation on hybrid court investigation is the direct result of continued lies and cover-ups by the previous regime on the advice by certain consultants like Dayan Jayathilaka. Theoritical arguments on soverinity and interference on internal affairs by the UN is a ruse to cover-up misdeeds of previous regime. If they genuinly attempted to bring those violators to book no such hybrid courts proposal would be needed. Hence, the previous regime is responsible for the "untrust" created in the world community on our judicial system.

We canot develop this country by lying to the international community and avoiding due process for any human rights violations in the past. We need to show genuine effort to resolve all these in a transparent manner acceptable to the world. Then only we can be assurred of FDI badly needed to boost our economy. This objective cannot be achieved by continues lying and cover-ups.

Thus, the report gives a respectable space to us to deal with our internal affairs without direct international interference. The report should never be treated as an interference in our internal affairs because UN Human Rights Commission is an organization in which we too are active members. The dead rope given by so called consultants such as Dayan Jayathilaka should not be entertained. He does not seem to know that we too are members of the UN system.

I think US is also a member in this so called HR Commission, wonder what the commissioner did when US bombed Iraq, Afghanistan and their drones killing many civilians. Gorge Bush invaded Afghanistan with out the permission of UN and many other countries these, we all know what happens those days, but we simply ignore them and take the whole blame on us.

As Hunter said a bigger global wrath is upon us especially from the West lead by US and UK. This is due to MR defeating LTTE ignoring the West people's request. They think this as a grate insult to their command.

Yes there are problems in our system so as theirs. When black people are shot in USA and black people were shot in London where were these so called Human Rights people ( or blacks and Muslims are not people by their books).

I dont dispute what you say, but compare their judicial systems with ours. Their judicial systems are capable of taking care of any violations of laws by any one irrespective of the status of the culprit. Instead, our systems are tightly controlled by the political leaders.

Until this government corrected some of the weaknesses in the system (we canot do it over-night) all those rogues in power were spared and only those in the opposition were hunted. Minorities were hounded if they voice against the govt., journalists were harrassed or killed if they do not fall in line. In addition the system was highly corrupt and lethargic.

Hence, the distrust created among the UN system members lead to this "hybrid" proposal. ?Can we blame USA for this.

All other governments existed before the MR regime also did the same. If you recall the independence of judiciary during Premadasa era MR's time will feel like a heven.

Problem is not with the systems it's with the people. Though our systems are designed with some standard ( look at our education, health, transport they are not the poorest but not good as in West, however sufficient for a developing country) our people are not up to the standard. It is a tough leadership we require as a nation who would force our people to go though the systems in the right manner this should be practiced at least for a decade as per my view. Then only it becomes a norm in the culture and all the leaders who are taking the country thereafter should try to preserve and improve these qualities.

Mind you these are not very easy tasks, many may give up after few attempts (as most did) and that's why we need a strong (politically and personally) person to run country. Otherwise we stay as beggars of puppets for ever

[slstockVeteran]

Thanks. interesting info on Japan.

Japan is the best country we have to study..specially in economic fight .

Japan used to devalue their currency and subsidizing exporters who manufacture products. This innocent effort was like thrones to US and Britain who were the leading manufacturers in those days.

But Japan was very creative.

When Japan was forced under the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade (GATT) to stop tax exemptions of export earnings in 1694 , MITI instead based firms' depreciation allowances on export performance- an equivalent tax rebate by a back door.

While allowing the newly elected government to sort out on its own, we have to educate ourselves on efforts taken by Japan and China to economically grow specially without begging for FDIs.

[slstockVeteran]

While omitting a few words, I think you hit some good points. Whether we accept(like) or not there are certain facts we need to accept.

Ayyo how to compare shoeshine land with Jap land?

Jap land is 100% Jap and filled with hardworking peoples. They will happily work 80+ hours a week and take zero holidays. Shoeshine land is filled peoples and racists who define themselves based on ethnicity rather than nationality also it is full of lazy jeaolus shoeshine boys who don't wont others to do better than themselves and  the shoeshine boys want to only work 30 hours a week and take 30 holidays a year.

Lazy shoeshine land can't be compared to japland better we compare to Sudan, Ethiopia, Uganda.

Also remember Japland was full pro US throughout the cold war and allowed US bases on their land so got access to US markets and developed through Exports. The unqualified widow who ran shoeshine land for most of the cold war went inside Indira's saree and become non aligned/soviet leaning thereby missed a golden opportunity to back the eventual winner.

[slstockVeteran]

Thanks for the insight ET. I agree with the below.

ET what is your view on the report?

We canot develop this country by lying to the international community and avoiding due process for any human rights violations in the past. We need to show genuine effort to resolve all these in a transparent manner acceptable to the world. Then only we can be assurred of FDI badly needed to boost our economy. This objective cannot be achieved by continues lying and cover-ups.

[slstockVeteran]

Problem is not with the systems it's with the people. Though our systems are designed with some standard ( look at our education, health, transport they are not the poorest but not good as in West, however sufficient for a developing country) our people are not up to the standard. It is a tough leadership we require as a nation who would force our people to go though the systems in the right manner this should be practiced at least for a decade as per my view. Then only it becomes a norm in the culture and all the leaders who are taking the country thereafter should try to preserve and improve these qualities.

Yes , we Sri Lankans have attitude issues. Firm leadership is required, but the leader should be able to set an example on ethics and principles.

Hmm.. what would a hybrid of MS + MR might be like ?

Mind you these are not very easy tasks, many may give up after few attempts (as most did) and that's why we need a strong (politically and personally) person to run country. Otherwise we stay as beggars of puppets for ever

Btw, I think we can relate most of the above to running cyber equity forums too

[HUNTERTop contributor]

Regarding Society, Leadership and Development.

I tend to believe it is an interdependent (vicious) circle of the three.

Right now, as I feel,here, we need some leadership (not necessarily political leadership) to change the society. Which will change the development levels.

As I have learned, (Strong) leadership trying to tackle the development (alone without society) will not be sustainable in the long run.

It seems, in developed countries, the society vote to elect a leadership to 'represent' them.
In non-developed countries, the society vote to elect a leadership to 'save' them; which has been an illusion always.

[nihal123Top contributor]

ලංකාවේ සහයට අමෙරිකාව !
2015-09-20 07:02:46
ශ‍්‍රී ලංකාවේ මානව හිමිකම් කඩ වු බවට නැගෙන චෝදනා සම්බන්ධයෙන් කෙරෙන දේශිය පරික්‍ෂණයට සහය පළ කිරීම සඳහා අමෙරිකානු සහ ශ‍්‍රී ලංකා ඒකාබද්ධ යෝජනාවක් ලබන 24 වැනිදා මානව හිමිකම් සැසිවාරයට ඉදිරිපත් කරන බව වාර්තා වනවා.

දෙරට එක්ව අදාළ යෝජනාව මේ වන විට සකස් කරමින් සිටින බවයි රජයේ ආරංචි මාර්ග සඳහන් කළේ. අදාළ යෝජනාවට සහය ලබාගැනීම සඳහා අමෙරිකාව සහ ශ‍්‍රී ලංකාව, ඉන්දියාව, චීනය සහ රුසියාව සමග සාකච්ඡා පවත්වා තිබෙනවා.
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[jiggysaurusTop contributor]

The only negative factor in your argument is if we continoulsy try to down-grade SL to Sudan and if all scholars, politicians, writers repeat the same we cannot expect anything more than that...

True, but the first step towards recovery is to admit your weakness and accept what position you really are at.

Doing big big pora talks and saying what a resource rich land we are blinds us to the fact that we are stuck in a big hole and the first thing we need to do is to stop digging and think up a new way to do things. Old ways Old talks and Old leaders is what got us here.

Since you are a big book reader try reading the Civilization-West and the Rest by Ferguson he has some simplistic arguments which I'm sure you'll heartily disagree with but will be a good investment of your time. Why Nations Fail only looks at one side.

[yellow knifeTop contributor]

Thanx for your comment

I will definitely read

[HUNTERTop contributor]

Wonderful!
Now we have two 'book masters'.
Thanks for the title.

So, it seems, everyone accepts the things started to change in the world around AD1500.

[HAL9000Top contributor]

http://www.adaderana.lk/news/32473/gang-ransacks-kfc-outlet-over-us-pro-lanka-stand

Earlier patriotic Wimale did Lemon puff fast to death complaning Anti Sri Lanka stance by west and USA, and wanted to boycott Google, Coca Cola, KFC etc.
Similar to patriotic wimale, Some Indian morons have started the same.

Interesting thing to note is the change of the game occured with the regime change in SL. Wasn't that a smart decision by the majority Sri Lankan voters ?. Gradually we will get GSP plus, Lifting ban on fish exports and REAL foreign direct investments.

[කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වාTop contributor]

Friend in need is a friend indeed.

[HUNTERTop contributor]

True friends will never forget your help.

They will truly remember you when in need again.

[කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වාTop contributor]

Old timers still remember the help we gave them during 71 war by opening the airspace and refuelling facilities (when India closed their airspace for all Pakistani registered aircraft).

True friends will never forget your help.
They will truly remember you when in need again.

[slstockVeteran]

Correct. I like to add one more thing...


True friends will not support you to do wrong things or not advice when they see something you are doing is not right


For example, in Sri Lanka Human right case ,

I would have appreciated any "friend" who truely said , look we will help you, but please understand you need to account for the issues/mistakes you did and internally correct them. This is not to please US or UK or the World. But for personal (country) integrity , reconciliations , ethics and peace amongst people"

At the same time, an an enemy of SL or a posse with similar goals ( posse mean a group like US, Canada, UK, Australia who work together ) can group together to put down Sri Lanka without showing our real mistakes or offering to help if we internally agree to put them right.

If we are to be balanced on this Human right thing

* Our last government was too adament we did nothing wrong.
* Ofcourse there were issues. Which War doesn't have injutice or bloodshed?
* On the other hand US/UK and some posses were intimitadting us too much,


EVENT:

Last Sunday, I had a big chat with an American/group ( sudda).

*Topics was on where America was right and where they went too far.
( specially on Sri Lanka or wars on other countries).

*He was not much aware of SL issue ( as most American are ) until I updated him.
* Finally discussion ended peacefully as he was fair, looked at the issues I raised without shutting them down/covering it , and also talked about why his side ( America) was right on IRAQ etc.
* They pronounce Iraq as "I"-"Rack"
* We all learned . I enjoyed and learnt. He got educated on SL issues and learnt too.

Now we maybe friends ( them and me)

True friends will never forget your help.

They will truly remember you when in need again.

[කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වාTop contributor]

Yes, most foreigners (especially white skinned ones) are not so aware about the issue in SL and some of them have made up their mind after being brain-washed by some diaspora member and or media supportive of them and their (unjust) cause.

Many people I meet, the first question they asked is "Are you from south or north".

When I give them data and background details, they are truly amazed how they have been taken for a ride.

Images / videos of the " Ellum Gaha " contraption carried by many Buddhist (though it is not a Buddhist practice) procession, where young men  (and women too) are being hung with butchers' hooks and swung back and forth have been used as propaganda tools by some diaspora to show the world how cruel Sinhala Buddhists towards Tamils in SL.

One American (lover of Ceylon Tea) asked me whether I am a Tamilian or Sinhala , after reading one of my poems written about everyone's right to have the privilege to return to his / her place of birth without any fear and or hindrance.

We all should take such opportunities to educate others the ground realities (like what SLS did recently).

[slstockVeteran]

Kiths I have done this at every opportunity for a long time .

Sorry but have to say this , and this is from my experience ( I mean Zero offence to anyone)
hardest people I found to communicate are
a) Saudi Guys
b ) some snooty british



Kindly note : this is no attack on any religions or race okay.
The difference was dependant on mentality to accept or reject, friendliness, exposure to other culture or education.

For example : few people I met from UAE , Kuwait , Turkey or Jorden are more easier to talk to
than the Saudi I mentioned.

Anyway as Kith said we should all give the right picture on Sri Lanka to foreginers.
Some of my best firends from school are Tamil and Muslims and we existed in peace/respect.

We all should take such opportunities to educate others the ground realities (like what SLS did recently).

[කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වාTop contributor]

Thanks (So, I am not alone, but some think that I am Sinhala Buddhsit chauvinist, reading my blog and other writings).

Kiths I have done this at every opportunity for a long time .

[slstockVeteran]

Well Kiths you have to admit you do have some Radical ideas at time haha.

But all in good faith.

Thanks (So, I am not alone, but some think that I am Sinhala Buddhsit chauvinist, reading my blog and other writings).

Kiths I have done this at every opportunity for a long time .