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Re: Sin Shares !

Post by GroundedKestrel on Tue Sep 22, 2015 9:59 am

Afourer,

You answered your own question. Premeditation, the intent to kill must be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. Remember, there is a quote that says "better let a 1000 guilty men walk free, than hang 1 innocent man".

Please answer the following two questions to satisfy my curiosity as well;

1. Should someone like Wele Suda be given the death penalty? someone who has supplied so much of drugs that ruined families and caused a lot of premeditated murders like above?

2. What about someone who hires a hitman to carry out a contract killing? should the hitman, employer of the hitman or both get the death penalty? what if he hires a hitman to kill the hitman he initially hired? do all three get the death penalty?

Thank you YK Smile always a pleasure to hear from you. I share the same sentiments about your mind. True blue patriot.
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Post by slstock on Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:03 am

Here are couple of question for you"ll to think ?

1) Is the Hangman /executioner a Sinner ?
2) Is okay to kill the Executioner as he has taken another life?




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Post by GroundedKestrel on Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:08 am

I don't know about the religious implications (Pow, Pin, Sins, Virtues) but if the death penalty is brought in legally, it is a "justifiable homicide" which means that it is a legally sanctioned killing.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Justifiable_homicide
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Post by Afourer on Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:19 am

GroundedKestrel wrote:Afourer,

You answered your own question. Premeditation, the intent to kill must be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. Remember, there is a quote that says "better let a 1000 guilty men walk free, than hang 1 innocent man".

Please answer the following two questions to satisfy my curiosity as well;

1. Should someone like Wele Suda be given the death penalty? someone who has supplied so much of drugs that ruined families and caused a lot of premeditated murders like above?

2. What about someone who hires a hitman to carry out a contract killing? should the hitman, employer of the hitman or both get the death penalty? what if he hires a hitman to kill the hitman he initially hired? do all three get the death penalty?

Thank you YK Smile always a pleasure to hear from you. I share the same sentiments about your mind. True blue patriot.
Ohh... lets not make the water muddy. Since some say they don't like the death penalty (including you in your previous comments), all I want to know is what is the alternative, provided A was proven guilty by all means.

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Post by yellow knife on Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:23 am

If you can make a man live forever that will be a better punishment than taking his life off.... Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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Post by GroundedKestrel on Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:42 am

You are wrong. I am all for the death penalty. I just want there to be an independent commission overseeing it instead of just the kosso Wink
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Post by The Alchemist on Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:45 am

going slightly off topic here. shall we get back to matters back at the farm Smile

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Post by Future123 on Tue Sep 22, 2015 10:46 am

[quote="slstock"]I tell  this much voluntarily in public, you now ask  "What is the range of your personal net worth?" and to substantiate it?

Now thats  pushing it are you not?

I have already answered what you needed to know in a public forum.
I said what I said  to back  why I respect people more who toiled on their own.
Why because that how I mainly shaped my life ( from mid twenties) without hassling parents, shoe shining anyone , kissing anyone B***, or going after only those who I can get benefit from.

Anyway I will tell a bit more..

My Parents educated me primarily ( Thanks to them for giving a start).
Then I worked my butt off to get further educated  by my own merit.
Then from there I use my own effort, knowledge ,  and brains  to progress to where I am today.
( not too rich or not too poor , not a great big shot nor a sprat  ).

I can also tell you my life was not a smooth sailing , where  everything fell into my lap like in a fairy tale. It was with  obstacles some will  not dream of facing.

I can say I have  educated 1000s   in prominent field ( not stock markets)  who   contribute to Sri Lanka economy and World now, fought big battles for justice ( still am) ,  was a  silent force along with a few others  behind getting a parliament bill passed   that  positively effected  multi millions of citizens of the  country , had  to give up so many things   ( some would say I am crazy) to  preserve  principles  I stood up for   ...  and to this date I am no ones stooge ... and if someone does injustice to me or someone I know,  I will not easily let go  

I may have said too much about myself in a public  forum. slstock"]


Sir, We are very proud to have a gentleman like you with us. It's very difficult to get a person who dedicate most of his time for others. Keep it up.

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Post by First Guy on Tue Sep 22, 2015 2:16 pm

Different religions preach different beliefs, some some practice any.

Then there's the balance between legal and ethical (and sinful).

I have not 'discriminated' any share in CSE based on the business they are in. But if I find out the way they do their business is not right then I will consider not buying it.

It's might easy to say poultry, tobacco and alcohol stocks are 'sinful' but there might be other real sinful companies that don't treat HUMANS right in the first place.

I also look at it from a customer perspective.

And I will not go beyond my principles to make money. How I make my money is important to me.
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Post by kass on Tue Sep 22, 2015 4:59 pm

1. do you consider poultry stocks to be in a "sin" industry ? yes

if so, do you consume chicken ? No

if not, is it for religious beliefs or because you dont like the meat ? Both

are you a vegetarian ? Half (eat only fish)

do you consume eggs ? No

2. do you deal in shares of DIST & CTC ? No


are they considered "sin" stocks ? Yes

if you dont deal in them for "sin" reasons, then you consume alcohol and or smoke ? No


3. what other sectors / companies do you classify as "sin" shares ?  Weapons manufacturing

4. As a person, are you Pro-Life i.e. Anti - Abortion ? or Pro- abortion ? Anti - Abortion

5. How do you feel about the Death Penalty ? For or Against  

As an individual I'm against it however as a country we need it at the moment just to slow down the crime rate (only as a temporary solution).

I believe in Karma, people who get killed, die because of their own bad karma done in the past and while the victim is paying for his bad karma  the attacker accumilates bad karma by harming the victim. So by nature there is a mechanism where justice is served with out any question or doubt, I think most will disagree with my view.

However as a country the leaders have to take a decision atleast to activate death penalty as a temporary measure just to send a message to the society but the people who implement death penalty will not gain bad karma because the laws are passed with out focusing to kill a specific person eg: Welesuda If we narrow down our view and say Wele suda should be hanged or Seya's killers should be hanged we also become a part of the vicious karma cycle.

If the hangman does his job with out the intention of killing that person, he will not accumulate any sin, but a weak minded person in that job will not be able to kill the culprit with out such intention, so most probably he will get his share of sin depending upon his intention towards hanging that person. Sin is totally a mind game and it is very tricky, that's why we are still in Sansara
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Re: Sin Shares !

Post by GroundedKestrel on Tue Sep 22, 2015 5:40 pm

To be honest, i find GREG, PCH, CIFL, TWOD to be the main sinful shares as opposed to BFL, CTC, LION, BREW.
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