Re: BREAKING: කිම් ජොං උන් කතා කරද්දී නිදි කිරූ ආරක්ෂක ඇමති මරා දමයි

[slstockVeteran]

For the records if someone is curios why I after seeing this did not intercept this WOT vs Jiggy "discussion" on admin grounds ( other Admins may or may not have seen this ) , here is why

1) The original thread was in the Lounge section.
It was on a North Korea issue. Related disscusions to Country Korea and Kim jons acts were mainly addressed until

2) WOT brought a religious article on to the Korea thing

3) Then Jiggy started counteracting the religious claims

As long as you two peacefully ( without personal insults) debate this out I am going to stay out of this.

But be respectful of each other. Arguments and counter arguments and disagreements are okay .
I respect all religions as long as people following them are respectful of each other
and cause no unwarranted harm /hassle to others to live in peace/co exit.




WOT, one question from me to you

What do you think about that Video posted on earth related matters and the answers given?

[කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වාTop contributor]

The existence of සුන්‍ය was not known to Arabs or the Romans but Indians knew long before.
Imagine if this has happened in India?
Whose neck will be slit then ?

[WasteofTime]

Hello SLS,
The Quran was revealed in Arabic. In order to understand the meaning better We should understand it in Arabic. Each Arabic word has no of meaning .The translator has pick up the word what he think it is right.
There are thousands of videos, books, Originations and etc against Islam created by people who are confused with their own religion it self.
If we follow their videos we have to believe all the websites ,books, news channels run by these confused people. Who are they? what is accreditation they have?

[jiggysaurusTop contributor]

Hello SLS,
The Quran was revealed in Arabic. In order to understand the meaning better  We should understand it in Arabic. Each Arabic word has no of meaning .The translator has pick up the word what he think it is right.
There are thousands of videos, books, Originations and etc against Islam created by people who are confused with their own religion it self.
If we follow their videos we have to believe all the websites ,books, news channels run by these confused people. Who are they? what is accreditation they have?

What a silly little tribal god using a crazy language where each word has a number of meaning. Can't powerful moon god of the arabs come up with a clear simple language?

SLS has asked a clear question and the crazy cult is using its usual tactic of deflecting and running away without answering.

The reason there are thousands of books is because the founder of your cult was a nasty piece of work who once achieved power indulged in a very shameful pattern of behaviour. The brainwashed followers are unable to defend this so they try to censor questions or deflect and run away from the sensible question that SLS has asked.

[balapasTop contributor]

I have to agree with Jigs and only agree to disagree with WOT. Let the audience judge WOT answers. Now to move with other things. I believe many guys here would feel the same.

[WasteofTime]

If your religion is perfect why do you want to poke the nose into other religion? Let them live as they live, It is their right as you have right to live as you live.

If your religion is perfect Why do you have to keep on revising the original book and systems hundred times founded by your founder? Does this mean your founder was wrong and reformer is right?
Not only you are confused with your religion but also purpose of the life.I think you should always be feeling emptiness. So seek the truth and get into right path.

The topic is related to north Korea. I posted a view of a Muslim person about gog Maggog and north korea. The Gog maggog can be north korea or China or combined north korea and China. Only Gods knows this. You will witness this in your life time. Because we are living at end times.
you are talking about 21st century. What is the different between 6th and 21st? only efficient transport, communications and electricity. These are only after 18th century. Other than all other remain the same. Then there were atheist and theist now also have the same. Then there were business, finance, transport, communication, corruption , Power struggle ,conflict ,conversion, dams and construction, abortion, prostitution , drugs, drinks,farming and etc now also have the same but most fraudulent way. So, Do not be proud that you are living in 21st century.

[කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වාTop contributor]

Information about what's really happening in North Korea should always be taken with a bucket of salt.

Inside the country, the regime is as secretive as any regime gets. And outside, many people from all sides have an interest in misstatements.

Intelligence agencies sometimes overstate threats; Pyongyang might overstate its own power; some defectors write their stories too strongly; Pyongyang's fellow travellers see no evil.

So what should we make of the reports that North Korean Defence Minister, Hyon Yong-chol, was purged and executed by anti-aircraft gunfire?

Three aspects of purging.

The South Korean intelligence agency told the BBC that it believed that he had been stripped of power. On that there is a strong degree of certainty. They had information which made them believe he was no longer important.

But the method of purging - banishment or execution by whatever means - was its best analysis (implying, a lower level of certainty).

There are three different points to the assertion - that he's been purged, that he's been executed and that it was in a particularly vicious way. The National Intelligence Service (NIS) assesses each separately.

It may or may not have reliable sources - spies - inside the country with good access to information on who's suddenly disappeared. But it also relies on those who may not know the full facts, as well as on the analysis of photographs and broadcasts.

This last method can be very useful for determining who's in favour and who's been purged. A study of the pallbearers at the funeral of Kim Jong-un's father reveals who was powerful then and their later absence indicates a fall from power.

But this analysis can tell us nothing about how somebody disappeared from public view.

Falsehood travels faster than truth

when Kim Jong-un's uncle, Chang Song-thaek, was arrested, it was announced by the North Korean state media.

There were pictures of the arrest. Kim Jong-un wanted to make an example of the cost of disloyalty so it was made public.

But even that provided a lesson. It soon became "fact" on the internet that he had been stripped naked and thrown to a hundred ravenous dogs. This was false and the work of a Chinese blogger with a feverish imagination.

As the old saying goes: "Falsehood was halfway round the world before truth had got its shoes on.

North Korea's purge

May 2015: Defence Minister Hyon Yong-chol executed for showing disloyalty to leader Kim Jong-un, reports say

December 2013: Kim Jong-un's uncle, Chang Song-thaek, executed after being purged for "acts of treachery", state media says

July 2012: Army chief Ri Yong-ho removed from all official posts "because of illness"
Of the seven pallbearers at former leader Kim Jong-il's 2011 funeral, apart from Kim Jong-un, all have either been executed, have lost their jobs or have not been seen in some time

What is known about North Korea's purge?

The measured (likely) truth of the latest case is that Hyon Yong-chol has been purged.

The NIS has a good track record on this kind of assertion. It got it right, for example, when it said before it was announced by North Korea that the uncle, Jang Song-thaek, had been purged.

It's unlikely to have been so forthright in the new case if it wasn't pretty sure.
What it may not be so sure about is the method of purging. Aerial photographs recently published seemed to indicate the presence of anti-aircraft guns at a firing range for small arms and some outside observers concluded this was a new method of execution.

These pictures are open to interpretation so the usual caveats about salt and scepticism apply.

Information becomes misinformation

In the latest case, two plus two may make five. The route of information makes misinformation more likely: the NIS briefs lawmakers in private and some lawmakers then brief the press about the briefing.

This is obviously open to misunderstanding. A press eager for lurid headlines gets information from a politician who may or may not get every nuance and detail right.
Misinformation also comes from Pyongyang. Take the recent case of the pictures of the missile launched from a submarine. Some experts in the United States now detect photoshopping - "some of the imagery released by North Korea may have been altered," as one of the experts put it.

The best advice when reading powerful accounts about North Korea is to be sceptical. Remember the caveats.

That doesn't mean that everything should be dismissed: there is no doubt that North Korea does purge senior people without notice; it is trying to develop nuclear weapons.

But on individual lurid accounts, keep the salt close by.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-32749107

[SBerni]

If your religion is perfect Why do you have to keep on revising the original book  and systems hundred times founded by your founder? Does this mean your founder was wrong and reformer is right?

Some Christian sects took that path , slowly adjusting their old aged knowledge to present date as a method of existence.  Not-adjusting is the jeopardy of Muslims as a whole. Moderate people have brains to forget the inappropriate pages in holy books. Fools like ISIS try to follow each and every sentences in holy or holey books and create troubles to everyone.  

(following is taken from a blog writing :- )

Human mind and religions  

During the thousands years of human evolution they interpreted their environment and gained knowledge about everything they came across and believed what they thought was correct at respected times. The new findings were always based on their past know-how and analyzing capabilities prevailed at those times.
Time to time individuals with different abilities appeared in the human race and they guided others with their new findings and theories.

Others who lived at that times believed and practiced their teachings until a new scholar or preacher emerge and correct earlier knowledge by placing his new findings in front of the the society.

We can go through the history and fine thousands of examples.

Humans were able to shed false knowledge or the 'truth of past' including universe revolving around Earth to Influenza by evil spirits.

What I cannot understand is how the same people continue in believing everything preached by those old timers about religion and gods.

We can clearly see all the religions interpreted God and universe according to their own environment in the same way they understood about natural ailments and other things.
Mohammad talked about things and happenings in his environment.  All the examples are related to his area. Siddhartha Gautama preached to his people in Indian environment. All the rivers and mountains referred in his teachings were in Indian continent.  
Creation by the God is not a finding of Mohammad or Christ. Hindus described the creation thousands years before to them. Even today we can find thousands of ‘messengers of God’ in India.

Some humans living in present day are in a huge battle in this regard.  
 
They still wanted think ‘not changing of what believed by ancestors’ is of great value.

Unfortunately that is the most unfortunate thing which hinders our lives.  

Most of the paranormal teachings in religions including punishing God , eternal heaven and hell are outdated rotten material similar to other outdated knowledge.