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Re: The British , Pilimatalawwe, Ehelepola Vickrama Rajasinha OR ?

Post by chinwi on Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:37 am

Hunter wrote:They promised to bring him a better princess from India.
Apparently they get hold of a 'sexy' prostitute in India and made the king believe that she indeed a princess.

මේක තමයි වෙන්න ඇත්තෙ. ඇය රජ කුමරියක් නම් පවුලම එන්නෙ නෑනේ. ඇගේ දෙමාපියන් හා මළනුවන් ද මෙහි විත් පදිංචු වූවාලු. තවද එම පවුල  දේපල කිසිත් නැති දුප්පතුන් වූ බවත් ලියැවී තිබේ.

Hunter wrote:* (Gossip) Ehelepola kumari hami was said to be very beautiful (සිරා කෑල්ලක්). Sri vickrama wanted to scr.....

*   Once Sri Vickrama assigned both of them as rulers for the same area it seems to make things worse.......

* (Gossip) Pillimathalawe is said to be the father of Kannasamy (Sri Vickram).  .....

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Post by slstock on Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:48 am

Why?



කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා wrote:History and religion should be taken out from school curriculum is my opinion.



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Re: The British , Pilimatalawwe, Ehelepola Vickrama Rajasinha OR ?

Post by කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා on Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:57 am

The competitiveness is blunted by both.
History gives people to wallow in the past glory than do what is needed to be done today, so they will have a better future tomorrow.
Religion gives people hope of a better future tomorrow, thus making them less inclining to do something today to make tomorrow a better one.
slstock wrote:Why?
කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා wrote:History and religion should be taken out from school curriculum is my opinion.
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Re: The British , Pilimatalawwe, Ehelepola Vickrama Rajasinha OR ?

Post by slstock on Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:09 am

Okay look at it this way.

What make a personal moral, ethical and culturalable learned not to be mention patriotic ( in a balanced way) ?

1)Family
2) Friends one associate
3) Peers
4) A balanced/open mind and Personal strength to stand for justice
5) education


Do not forget

1) one who does not know or forgets history ( no napoleon) can forget everything.
Today is tomorrow history. If one forgets history everything can be twisted saying I don't remember.

2) Religion instills some morals and insights . If someone falls into bad 1) 2) 3) 4) above
what happens to that person? Atleast religion ( I still believe all pure religions of the world teaches
good . Am not talking about extremists with twsited minds) taught at school will inculcates some good stories
from past to think about

We do not want to see future generations more ignorant about their past than it is now.
If so in 50 years the generation will not know Sri lanka was invaded by British even.
Buddha, Christ, Prophet Mohamed existed even.

What kind of people will they become?






කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා wrote:The competitiveness is blunted by both.
History gives people to wallow in the past glory than do what is needed to be done today, so they will have a better future tomorrow.
Religion gives people hope of a better future tomorrow, thus making them less inclining to do something today to make tomorrow a better one.
slstock wrote:Why?
කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා wrote:History and religion should be taken out from school curriculum is my opinion.


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Post by HUNTER on Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:17 am

No opinion but mention the incident bellow.

I happened to visit DC; US sometime ago. One day this 'shrewd businessman' suggested me go and visit a 'very special' place.
So we went in his Oldsmobile.

It was an old building ,a church.

He said proudly that was the countries first brick building. According to his idea, there wasn't something like that in the whole world.
I asked him how old that was.
He said, it was as old as their history; 300 years!

And then, quite incidentally, he asked how old our country's history was.
..............................

Another thing he mentioned. In order to be an adult (to get their driving license and register as a citizen), everyone needs to answer a question paper which includes specific questions on history.



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Post by slstock on Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:22 am

I can very directly relate to this.

During my undergrad , I was taken on a filed trip to 19th century mission in USA .
They proudly talked about it. They said it is 200+ year old and amazing piece of history.

To be not snobbish I kept silent.
But I did tell few of my colleagues that my native history was 2500 old and we have relics which are well over 1000 year old.

ps : Look on the bright side from Americans also. To the Americans 200 year old building is a wow.
That also means they are patriotic with whatever they pocessed, even 200 year old building,

Okay lets not talk about USA foreign policies, but I can say they generally are indeed a patriotic lot from my experience.




HUNTER wrote:No opinion but mention the incident bellow.

I happened to visit DC; US sometime ago. One day this 'shrewd businessman' suggested me go and visit a 'very special' place.
So we went in his Oldsmobile.

It was an old building ,a church.

He said proudly that was the countries first brick building. According to his idea, there wasn't something like that in the whole world.
I asked him how old that was.
He said, it was as old as their history; 300 years!

And then, quite incidentally, he asked how old our country's history was.
..............................

Another thing he mentioned. In order to be an adult (to get their driving license and register as a citizen), everyone needs to answer a question paper which includes specific questions on history.




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Post by කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා on Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:27 am

Once my father told us, when we built Lowa Maha Seya (known to have had 9 stories), the highest building in England was just three story building.
Now fast forward the statement into context of 21st century and see where we stand comparatively.
We are happy to wallow in the past history only.
The common definition of Karma is the other stumbling block.
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Post by Backstage on Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:35 am

කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා wrote:Once my father told us, when we built Lowa Maha Seya (known to have had 9 stories), the highest building in England was just three story building.
Now fast forward the statement into context of 21st century and see where we stand comparatively.
We are happy to wallow in the past history only.
The common definition of Karma is the other stumbling block.

The Cinnamon Life, waterfront has architectural and engineering features that are worlds first. Not sure if it will last 1000 years though Very Happy
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Post by jiggysaurus on Tue Mar 24, 2015 10:56 am

කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා wrote:History and religion should be taken out from school curriculum is my opinion.



Ayyo pissuda? The shoeshine boys need their Opium and you are trying to take it away from them.
If it weren't for history and religion how would the politikkas keep the mattas under control?

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Post by Ukboy on Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:15 am

HUNTER wrote:* Pilimathalawe was a shrewd man. He carried out many missions with near success. He  planed to get British capture the King and then chase British and give the crown to a local king.
He went to the extent that when British wanted a reason to attached king, he made some reasons by making some 'king's' men to attack some 'British' as well.
However, when Sri Vickram got to know that one of Pimlima.'s relatives was going to marry a royal lady, he got panicked and assassinated Pilima. ( I am sure Molligoda also got some part to play there.)

* Ehelepola also had the same vision but he got successful in the first half only. As I heard, his second part was messed up by people like molligoda. There are records that, after being captured, Sri Vickrama got friendly with British and tipped them of Ehelepols's real ambition and advised British to use Molligoda to backfire those efforts.

Good to see your post Hunter. Yes Pilimatalawa is the most underrated character when mentioning the 1800s history. Sri lankas were poor in making tactical  decisions. 

Bravery is not the only thing can be used in a battlefield.

Molligoda also another person who took tactical decisions but sadly he used Them all for his personal benefits .

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Post by slstock on Tue Mar 24, 2015 1:33 pm

Usually when the king went on visits , it was customary for his queens, the Ministers and their spouses to go with him. It is said in a book that one day when the king was out on a visit he observed Ehelepola's wife was not in the group. He asked why she has not come.
Apparently one of the queens replied something like "king do you expect women of latter stages of pregnancy to join you in these trips?".

This should add more light to the story below.





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මේක තමයි වෙන්න ඇත්තෙ. ඇය රජ කුමරියක් නම් පවුලම එන්නෙ නෑනේ. ඇගේ දෙමාපියන් හා මළනුවන් ද මෙහි විත් පදිංචු වූවාලු. තවද එම පවුල  දේපල කිසිත් නැති දුප්පතුන් වූ බවත් ලියැවී තිබේ.

Hunter wrote:* (Gossip) Ehelepola kumari hami was said to be very beautiful (සිරා කෑල්ලක්). Sri vickrama wanted to scr.....

*   Once Sri Vickrama assigned both of them as rulers for the same area it seems to make things worse.......

* (Gossip) Pillimathalawe is said to be the father of Kannasamy (Sri Vickram).  .....

ස්තූතියි.  ඔන්න මටත් මතක් උනා ඒ කතා වසර 30 කට පමණ කලින් කියවූ බව​.

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Post by slstock on Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:55 am

Thank you Nihal. I was actually aware of those sites. Also gutenberg site has lot of ebooks on old ceylon.

Actually I was asking whether anyone had any real old books at home ( as hobby )

Anyway, appreciate your concern.

nihal123 wrote:Dear slstock pls see A Collection of Books on Ceylon

http://lankapura.com/books/

http://mahavamsa.org/e-books/

http://books.lakdiva.org/

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Post by Backstage on Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:04 pm

slstock wrote:Thank you Nihal. I was actually aware of those sites. Also gutenberg  site has lot of ebooks on old ceylon.

Actually I was asking whether anyone had any real old books at home  ( as hobby )

Anyway, appreciate your concern.

nihal123 wrote:Dear slstock pls see A Collection of Books on Ceylon

http://lankapura.com/books/

http://mahavamsa.org/e-books/

http://books.lakdiva.org/

Are you looking for anything specific, I have a bunch of books, Davy, D'Oyly, Geiger's Mahavamsa ect. Several on Kandyan history, I also recommend to you, Vesak Nanayakkara's "A Return to Kandy", I am sure you will enjoy the style of writing. Nira Wickramasinghe's Deconstructing of a Historical Relation with Ceylon, is a good example of the new scholarly approaches to history. I had a Knox but it seems to have gone on a walk, like Knox himself.
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Post by slstock on Wed Mar 25, 2015 12:21 pm

You have the original 1st eds of

Davy 1821st
Knox 1681

???

I have all the books you mentioned but the "Nira Wickramasinghe's Deconstructing of a Historical Relation with Ceylon"
and the 1st edition Knox.

Did you you know there were 3 Knox versions. The last one published ( 1911) also had an autobiography of Knox .
This autobiography was only discovered in early 1900s by Ryan. It contain more info to the original "An historical ceylon ..."
It is called the Ryan edition.

Also note the title "An historical " is something unique.

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slstock wrote:Thank you Nihal. I was actually aware of those sites. Also gutenberg  site has lot of ebooks on old ceylon.

Actually I was asking whether anyone had any real old books at home  ( as hobby )

Anyway, appreciate your concern.

nihal123 wrote:Dear slstock pls see A Collection of Books on Ceylon

http://lankapura.com/books/

http://mahavamsa.org/e-books/

http://books.lakdiva.org/

Are you looking for anything specific, I have a bunch of books, Davy, D'Oyly, Geiger's Mahavamsa ect. Several on Kandyan history, I also recommend to you, Vesak Nanayakkara's "A Return to Kandy", I am sure you will enjoy the style of writing. Nira Wickramasinghe's Deconstructing of a Historical Relation with Ceylon, is a good example of the new scholarly approaches to history. I had a Knox but it seems to have gone on a walk, like Knox himself.

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Re: The British , Pilimatalawwe, Ehelepola Vickrama Rajasinha OR ?

Post by chutiputha on Sun Mar 29, 2015 12:49 pm

ගන්නෝරු සටනට වසර 377 යි

දෙවන රාජසිංහ රජු පෘතුග්‍රීසීන් පරාජයට පත් කළ ගන්නෝරුව සටනට මාර්තු 28 වැනිදාට වසර 377 ක් සපිරිණි.
ඓතිහාසික ගන්නෝරු සටන පිළිබඳව පේරාදෙණිය විශ්වවිද්‍යාලයේ ඉතිහාසය අංශයේ ජ්‍යෙෂ්ඨ කථිකාචාර්ය ආචාර්ය රෝහිත දසානායක මහතා අදහස් දැක්වීය.

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Post by Backstage on Sun Mar 29, 2015 6:21 pm


Just saw this, sorry, The Davy is not first ed. I am not sure which ed the Knox is, my mother says it is somewhere among the books we packed when moving a few years ago, I will try to dig it up one of these days. I lost interest in collecting books ( and other possessions) some time ago. A part of my program to free my self from attachments. We gave away about two thirds of our library by putting all the books on a table for a month and invited people to come and pick. Most of the Ceylon books we kept and lost some in a white ant invasion. My most favorite pre independence writer is RL Brohier, who wrote beautifully about this country without the jaundiced eye of race and class. I still re read them if I am traveling to parts of the country that wrote about. I have almost all his publications.

slstock wrote:You have the original 1st eds of  

Davy 1821st
Knox 1681

???

I have all the books you mentioned but the "Nira Wickramasinghe's Deconstructing of a Historical Relation with Ceylon"
and the 1st edition Knox.

Did you you know there were 3 Knox versions. The last one published  ( 1911) also had an  autobiography of Knox .
This autobiography was only  discovered in  early 1900s  by Ryan. It contain more info to the original "An historical ceylon ..."
It is called the Ryan edition.

Also note the title "An historical " is something unique.

Backstage wrote:
slstock wrote:Thank you Nihal. I was actually aware of those sites. Also gutenberg  site has lot of ebooks on old ceylon.

Actually I was asking whether anyone had any real old books at home  ( as hobby )

Anyway, appreciate your concern.

nihal123 wrote:Dear slstock pls see A Collection of Books on Ceylon

http://lankapura.com/books/

http://mahavamsa.org/e-books/

http://books.lakdiva.org/

Are you looking for anything specific, I have a bunch of books, Davy, D'Oyly, Geiger's Mahavamsa ect. Several on Kandyan history, I also recommend to you, Vesak Nanayakkara's "A Return to Kandy", I am sure you will enjoy the style of writing. Nira Wickramasinghe's Deconstructing of a Historical Relation with Ceylon, is a good example of the new scholarly  approaches to history. I had a Knox but it seems to have gone on a walk, like Knox himself.
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