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රහතෙකු වන නිවැරදි මග 1 ( සිරි සමන්තභද්‍ර මහා ස්වාමින් වහන්සේ )

Post by sashimaal on Tue Mar 10, 2015 9:08 am

Pls listen without prejudice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=op_notKmSSY
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Re: රහතෙකු වන නිවැරදි මග 1 ( සිරි සමන්තභද්‍ර මහා ස්වාමින් වහන්සේ )

Post by Ethical Trader on Wed Mar 11, 2015 12:46 pm

Shashi, I listened almost one hour & abandoned as what is preached here is totally opposit what Lord Buddha preached.

What he recomends is Kama Sukallikanu Yogaya which was abandoned by Lord Buddha at the begining. He says සිතට යම් අරමුණක් යලි යලිත් එන විට සිත එහිම නැවත නැවත අලවන්න. එවිට සිතට විඩාවක් දැනේවි. එවිට සිත පිරිසිදු වෙනවා.

Lord Buddha never advocated this type of Bhawana to clense the mind. This preast misleads the laymen.
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Post by sashimaal on Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:14 pm

You should listen to the rest as well as that is not what he says

I have asked for a time from the Priest with a friend of mine. If you have questions, you also can join on that day.

Ethical Trader wrote:Shashi, I listened almost one hour & abandoned as what is preached here is totally opposit what Lord Buddha preached.

What he recomends is Kama Sukallikanu Yogaya which was abandoned by Lord Buddha at the begining. He says සිතට යම් අරමුණක් යලි යලිත් එන විට සිත එහිම නැවත නැවත අලවන්න. එවිට සිතට විඩාවක් දැනේවි. එවිට සිත පිරිසිදු වෙනවා.

Lord Buddha never advocated this type of Bhawana to clense the mind. This preast misleads the laymen.
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Re: රහතෙකු වන නිවැරදි මග 1 ( සිරි සමන්තභද්‍ර මහා ස්වාමින් වහන්සේ )

Post by chutiputha on Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:16 pm

මේ කෙනා ත්‍රිපිටකයවත් හරියට කියවල නැති කෙනෙක් බව වීඩියෝ එක බැලුවම තේරෙනවා.අනේ පවු ලංකාවේ අසරණ මිනිස්සු,කලිනුත් කෙනෙක් හිටියා,දැන් නම් එයාගේ සද්දයක්වත් නැ.

කාලෙන් කාලෙට කුරු හරි එනවා,එකී ලෝක ස්වබාවය...
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Re: රහතෙකු වන නිවැරදි මග 1 ( සිරි සමන්තභද්‍ර මහා ස්වාමින් වහන්සේ )

Post by sashimaal on Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:22 pm

Smile This person is more knowledgeable about Buddhism than any Priest i have heard. I have heard hundreds..

I don't know whether he has attained Maargapala or not. And he flirts at the edge of certain Seela that is believed in society. However, he is the best teacher I have come across who knows the Nissarana Path. Anyone can explain Ashwada and Aadeenawa.

ET - Kamasukallikanuyogaya - that was explained in a link i shared some time back.


chutiputha wrote:මේ කෙනා ත්‍රිපිටකයවත් හරියට කියවල නැති කෙනෙක් බව වීඩියෝ එක බැලුවම තේරෙනවා.අනේ පවු ලංකාවේ අසරණ මිනිස්සු,කලිනුත් කෙනෙක් හිටියා,දැන් නම් එයාගේ සද්දයක්වත් නැ.

කාලෙන් කාලෙට කුරු හරි එනවා,එකී ලෝක ස්වබාවය...
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Re: රහතෙකු වන නිවැරදි මග 1 ( සිරි සමන්තභද්‍ර මහා ස්වාමින් වහන්සේ )

Post by sashimaal on Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:33 pm

Here you go... Kamasukallikanu yogaya and Aththkilimathanu yogaya

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Post by sashimaal on Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:36 pm

Listen to the Kamasukallikanu yogaya clip above. Anyone can understand that. First clip in this thread is somewhat advanced, That is why he mentions that people there has come to a basic level at the point of starting.

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Post by slstock on Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:25 pm

I listened to most of his "sermon". Firstly I admit I am a layman and probably do not have the in depth knowledge of buddhism at Thripitaka level some of you have.

But I go by the very greatest principle Buddha taught. Use your own brain to understand for yourself.
Secondly, I go by another trait buddha taught, "Actions are greater than words".


So yes I do not have the knowledge to explain in depth complex naming structure such as "patisothagami" or "anusothagami" but first thing I try to do is to get a grasp of things by

a) how one presents it
b) does it make sense to me
c) is the person preaching after practice ( qualified to say such)

So I make the below observation on the priest after listening to this sermon ..


1) He is learned. He is well read. He knows stuff. I am sure he has experimented some things too.
2) But has he overlearned or has he taken his learning to twist and add his own extremist flavor ?
3) Has he attained Rahath or any of the "state" to that matter. I saw in newspaper he claimed he has attained
( to be clarified)
Now a question will arise, does his behavior style display anyone who has attained a state of calmness and wisdom
of person who has attained a state.

4) If someone has attained a state or has great wisdom , why does he want this much attention in different ways?

Example : He says one time "kiyala banum assaganna" ( get your self scolded).
okay maybe he is giving advice to others.
But why is he is trying to do that himself still if he has attained a state.
Take the a) the photo issue b) the recent Dane issue, as example.
I presume if he was okay to consume meat and if the upasaka upasikawo is presenting he can do it
in quiteness. But there was so much publicity on it. Why is so am not sure?



5) "Araya margayata pathkala uthumek widawata path karanna bae" .

Well I agree he has great oratory skills to argue and convince so at his monestray everyone who comes , come
willingly so he can convince.


6) He also says don't expect and just let thing happen. ( bus station example) . Do not schedule.

But to me he has expected and scheduled/planned certain events. ( Like the Dane and he was expecting people will
scold him ) He was prepared to justify the eating of meat by showing Buddha never said not to
( except 10 kinds of meat) . This exemplifies my point of number 5) also.


7) He often states words "little pissu" & "amuthu". He also says what he says is not written anywhere.
Okay. But ... there is big but there itself ( think deep)

I admit , being unorthodox is no reason to sideline anyone or dismiss what he says. I am myself very unorthodox and outspoken. So I understand the priest maybe of same character . There is certainly some truth in some of the things he states. But is it a mixture?




Kindly do not be upset if anyone is following him.

But am using Buddha words to understand things for myself.
To me there are many contradictions in what he says and his behaviour that creates much doubt to accept what he peaches as pure truth of Buddha ( or his way of sure nibbana).

Question: If anyone is studying the buddha way to nibbbana ( through vipassana is the key here)
do you find what he peaches ab extended/modified version of what it says in Thripitaka"?














sashimaal wrote:You should listen to the rest as well as that is not what he says

I have asked for a time from the Priest with a friend of mine. If you have questions, you also can join on that day.

Ethical Trader wrote:Shashi, I listened almost one hour & abandoned as what is preached here is totally opposit what Lord Buddha preached.

What he recomends is Kama Sukallikanu Yogaya which was abandoned by Lord Buddha at the begining. He says සිතට යම් අරමුණක් යලි යලිත් එන විට සිත එහිම නැවත නැවත අලවන්න. එවිට සිතට විඩාවක් දැනේවි. එවිට සිත පිරිසිදු වෙනවා.

Lord Buddha never advocated this type of Bhawana to clense the mind. This preast misleads the laymen.

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Post by sashimaal on Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:36 pm

Yesterday night He was questioned mercilessly by Neth FM asking the SAME questions that have been posted above (which many of us have when we hear His Sermons).

Again I repeat, " I don't know whether he has attained Maargapala or not. And he flirts at the edge of certain Seela that is believed in society. However, he is the best Teacher I have come across who knows the Nissarana Path. Anyone can explain Ashwada and Aadeenawa".

Pls see the Neth FM clip here:

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Post by slstock on Wed Mar 11, 2015 2:52 pm

I hope you read completely what I said . I said the good and the confusing parts.


I just commented on my understanding after listening to the sermon ( and his history ) as you posted this as a public topic . I am sure you expected different views to yours right as he is controversial priest?


Ofcourse you or anyone has the right to pick your teachers if they makes sense to you. I acknowledge that. I also acknowledge some of the things he says make sense to me. Even Buddha did and when he could not find what he was seeking he went on his own quest. But I hope you also noted what the priest admitted himself in the sermon. Even attaching to Dharma too much may not be wise. Sometimes I honestly wonder whether he has over studied?

If you have the links to Ashwada and Aadeenawa do post it . At a free time I might listen to them to understand what he is saying.






sashimaal wrote: However, he is the best Teacher I have come across who knows the Nissarana Path. Anyone can explain Ashwada and Aadeenawa".

Pls see the Neth FM clip here:



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Post by sashimaal on Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:03 pm

Yes you have said good and confusing parts. I have put a clip that will help reduce the confusion. Pls do take time to listen to that.

Attachment to Dhamma is definitely unwise..that is only need en-route to understand (and let go later). This was also explained in the Sermons above.

Ashwada and Aadeenawa - There are so many such ones as most Theros tell that correctly. But that is 10%-20% of what we need to understand. Here is one video (I'll put Pitiduwe Thero's videos on that area when i find):




slstock wrote:Even attaching to Dharma too much may not be wise.


sashimaal wrote: However, he is the best Teacher I have come across who knows the Nissarana Path. Anyone can explain Ashwada and Aadeenawa".

Pls see the Neth FM clip here:

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Yes letting go later part it upto oneself to control.
I seen personal examples of people who have gone to extremes and cannot let go as it may be beyond their control now.
I see them as extremists ( I know of a very educated person who is such and seems unable to think out side his box as he is so deep into it )

Yes I will listen to Neth FM version and post if I find something convincing he says which clarifies the doubts.

Btw , there is nothign personal here Sashi. I know you obviously like the priest .



[quote="sashimaal"

Attachment to Dhamma is definitely unwise..that is only need en-route to understand (and let go later). This was also explained in the Sermons above.

Ashwada and Aadeenawa - There are so many such ones as most tell that correctly. But that is 10%-20% of what we need to understand. Here is one video:




slstock wrote:Even attaching to Dharma too much may not be wise.


sashimaal wrote: However, he is the best Teacher I have come across who knows the Nissarana Path. Anyone can explain Ashwada and Aadeenawa".

Pls see the Neth FM clip here:

[/quote]


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What he teaches as Buddhism - i do generally agree. But that does not mean i will blindly believe anything He says.

On the other hand, I may be one of the people who has critically questioned him the most about Buddhism Smile

Yes pls listen to the Neth FM video for questions.



slstock wrote:Yes letting go later part it upto oneself to control.
I seen personal examples of people  who have gone to extremes and cannot let go .  I see them as extremists ( I know of a  very educated person who is such and seems unable to think out side the box as he is so deep into it )   Btw , there is nothign personal here. I say such as you obviously  like the priest.

Yes I will listen to Neth FM version.



[quote="sashimaal"

Attachment to Dhamma is definitely unwise..that is only need en-route to understand (and let go later). This was also explained in the Sermons above.

Ashwada and Aadeenawa - There are so many such ones as most tell that correctly. But that is 10%-20% of what we need to understand. Here is one video:




slstock wrote:Even attaching to Dharma too much may not be wise.


sashimaal wrote: However, he is the best Teacher I have come across who knows the Nissarana Path. Anyone can explain Ashwada and Aadeenawa".

Pls see the Neth FM clip here:

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Post by slstock on Wed Mar 11, 2015 3:21 pm

I am listen right now as a priority.

I hope you are not the Gihi person who is asking questions in the first sermon you posted.


sashimaal wrote:
On the other hand, I may be one of the people who has critically questioned him the most about Buddhism Smile

Yes pls listen to the Neth FM video for questions.



slstock wrote:Yes letting go later part it upto oneself to control.
I seen personal examples of people  who have gone to extremes and cannot let go .  I see them as extremists ( I know of a  very educated person who is such and seems unable to think out side the box as he is so deep into it )   Btw , there is nothign personal here. I say such as you obviously  like the priest.

Yes I will listen to Neth FM version.



[quote="sashimaal"

Attachment to Dhamma is definitely unwise..that is only need en-route to understand (and let go later). This was also explained in the Sermons above.

Ashwada and Aadeenawa - There are so many such ones as most tell that correctly. But that is 10%-20% of what we need to understand. Here is one video:




slstock wrote:Even attaching to Dharma too much may not be wise.


sashimaal wrote: However, he is the best Teacher I have come across who knows the Nissarana Path. Anyone can explain Ashwada and Aadeenawa".

Pls see the Neth FM clip here:

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No no Smile That is a Radio program.

I am the one who selected him for the Buddhism Service on Dialog (he had not got into controversy then). There was lot of pressure on me to change the Priest when controversy started. Luckily the Group COO also took my side at that time.



slstock wrote:I am listen right now as a priority.  

I hope you are not the Gihi person who is asking questions in the first sermon you posted.


sashimaal wrote:
On the other hand, I may be one of the people who has critically questioned him the most about Buddhism Smile

Yes pls listen to the Neth FM video for questions.



slstock wrote:Yes letting go later part it upto oneself to control.
I seen personal examples of people  who have gone to extremes and cannot let go .  I see them as extremists ( I know of a  very educated person who is such and seems unable to think out side the box as he is so deep into it )   Btw , there is nothign personal here. I say such as you obviously  like the priest.

Yes I will listen to Neth FM version.



[quote="sashimaal"

Attachment to Dhamma is definitely unwise..that is only need en-route to understand (and let go later). This was also explained in the Sermons above.

Ashwada and Aadeenawa - There are so many such ones as most tell that correctly. But that is 10%-20% of what we need to understand. Here is one video:




slstock wrote:Even attaching to Dharma too much may not be wise.


sashimaal wrote: However, he is the best Teacher I have come across who knows the Nissarana Path. Anyone can explain Ashwada and Aadeenawa".

Pls see the Neth FM clip here:

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Post by slstock on Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:37 pm

I listened to the whole Neth FM program.




slstock wrote:Yes letting go later part it upto oneself to control.
I seen personal examples of people who have gone to extremes and cannot let go as it may be beyond their control now.
I see them as extremists ( I know of a very educated person who is such and seems unable to think out side his box as he is so deep into it )

Yes I will listen to Neth FM version and post if I find something convincing he says which clarifies the doubts.

Btw , there is nothign personal here Sashi. I know you obviously like the priest .




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Great Smile I assume most questions about him that we have would have been asked.

Most controversial for me is the question on eating meat.

With regards to the "path" there are different videos that needs to be understood.


slstock wrote:I listened to the whole Neth FM  program.




slstock wrote:Yes letting go later part it upto oneself to control.
I seen personal examples of people  who have gone to extremes and cannot let go  as it may be beyond their control now.  
I see them as extremists ( I know of a  very educated person who is such and seems unable to think out side his box as he is so deep into it )  

Yes I will listen to Neth FM version and post if I find something convincing he says which clarifies the doubts.

Btw , there is nothign personal here Sashi. I  know you obviously  like the priest .



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Post by slstock on Wed Mar 11, 2015 4:52 pm

Yes questions were asked and answers were given.

The very last sentence he said in the program probably is more controversial than the meat eating ( along with many other things )








sashimaal wrote:Great Smile I assume most questions about him that we have would have been asked.

Most controversial for me is the question on eating meat.

With regards to the "path" there are different videos that needs to be understood.


slstock wrote:I listened to the whole Neth FM  program.




slstock wrote:Yes letting go later part it upto oneself to control.
I seen personal examples of people  who have gone to extremes and cannot let go  as it may be beyond their control now.  
I see them as extremists ( I know of a  very educated person who is such and seems unable to think out side his box as he is so deep into it )  

Yes I will listen to Neth FM version and post if I find something convincing he says which clarifies the doubts.

Btw , there is nothign personal here Sashi. I  know you obviously  like the priest .




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Post by yellow knife on Wed Mar 11, 2015 5:56 pm

I also listened to the entire program

Regarding meat I hold the same view as the Thero..

Further Ajan Brahmavansa thero  the smiling monk of Australia was a vegetarian as a layman... But after become a monk he had to eat frog legs...

What the Buddha Said About Eating Meat

Ajahn Brahmavamso


http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma3/meat.html

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Post by chutiputha on Wed Mar 11, 2015 6:03 pm

Sir,I'l explain u later ,about  Eat Meat and How It's Couple with our culture and religion.
yellow knife wrote:I also listened to the entire program

Regarding meat I hold the same view as the Thero..

Further Ajan Brahmavansa thero  the smiling monk of Australia was a vegetarian as a layman... But after become a monk he had to eat frog legs...

What the Buddha Said About Eating Meat



Ajahn Brahmavamso




http://www.urbandharma.org/udharma3/meat.html
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