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Post by WasteofTime on Thu Jan 15, 2015 2:06 pm

Whoever preach hate, Create havoc and violence , killing innocent people in the name of any religion are sick people. But these cartoonist are not better either. They not only made fun of Allah ( God in English) & Mohamed , but also other religious leaders, Head of state ,Public figures, organisations , dead and alive. But they never made fun of their mother for bringing creature like them into the world. They must have thought that they are the best human being on earth. They have scribbled these for a living. They would be living longer if they had begged on the streets of Europe .
When dozen of bullets ripped through their head and hand ,without doubt ,they must have definitely called oh my God ( Allah in Arabic) or Jesus whom they made fun of, not Je Suis Charlie. These jokers will see who will be sitting on that Chair on the day of judgement. Until let them make fun.

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
Master of the Day of Judgment.
Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
Show us the straightway,
The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.
Amen.

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Post by jiggysaurus on Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:35 pm

So sad that lunatic members of stone age cults think that it is acceptable to kill cartoonists.
This is why the entire world has to stand up and ridicule and criticize the founders of crazy stone age cults.
It is sad that most members of crazy cults venerate and deitify the founders of such cults similar to how astrologers are venerated in Sri-Lanka.

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Post by WasteofTime on Thu Jan 15, 2015 3:52 pm

If you think 1400years old Islam is from stone age, what do you think about followers of other religion which are  six hundred to thousands of years older? Are they from dark ages or ice ages? Or  still illiterate to worships objects and human?
Read my comment in english. I have told killers are sick people. We do not justify hate speech ,violence and killing.

jiggysaurus wrote:So sad that lunatic members of stone age cults think that it is acceptable to kill cartoonists.
This is why the entire world has to stand up and ridicule and criticize the founders of crazy stone age cults.
It is sad that most members of crazy cults venerate and deitify the founders of such cults similar to how astrologers are venerated in Sri-Lanka.
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Post by jiggysaurus on Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:03 pm

WasteofTime wrote:If you think 1400years old Islam is from stone age, what do you think about followers of other religion which are  six hundred to thousands of years older? Are they from dark ages or ice ages? Or  still illiterate to worships objects and human?


jiggysaurus wrote:So sad that lunatic members of stone age cults think that it is acceptable to kill cartoonists.
This is why the entire world has to stand up and ridicule and criticize the founders of crazy stone age cults.
It is sad that most members of crazy cults venerate and deitify the founders of such cults similar to how astrologers are venerated in Sri-Lanka.

A cult that produces members who think that it is ok to kill cartoonists is obviously from the stone age.
A cult that promises it's members 72 virgins if they blow up Office Towers or Kill cartoonists is obviously from the stone age.
A cult that condones child abuse and slavery is obviously from the stone age.
A cult that brainwashes its followers venerate and deitify the founder and doesn't allow any questioning or criticism is obviously from the stone age.
A cult that causes a follower to write a rant on an online forum justifying the murder of cartoonists is obviously from the stone age.

Does your cult fall under the above definitions or is it a harmless peaceful forward looking flexible 'religion"?

JE SUIS CHARLIE


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Post by WasteofTime on Thu Jan 15, 2015 4:11 pm

can you show the proof about 72 virgins?
Do you mean only Muslim kills, child abuse, salve and etc. Do you mean that Sri lanka is a Muslim country as you mentioned everything happening there.
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Post by කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා on Thu Jan 15, 2015 7:00 pm

The Gods that humans haven’t invented, have not yet revealed themselves (only if someone out there). Very Happy
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As a fellow human being, even though I do not condone violence and killing, I can understand the argument of avenging in the case of Charlie Hebdo.

Because we all are humans and it is possible that we may lose our direction sometimes.

But what happened at Nalanada, how do you explain?   Shocked

Cold blooded beheading and burning meditating monks alive were done to avenge what or is it the inbuilt cruel nature of the teaching that led to it?  affraid

Nous Somme Charlie.  Very Happy

WasteofTime wrote:           Whoever preach hate, Create havoc and violence , killing  innocent people in the name of any religion are sick people. But these cartoonist are  not better either. They not only made fun of Allah ( God in English) & Mohamed , but also other religious leaders, Head of state ,Public figures, organisations , dead and alive. But they never made fun of their mother for bringing creature like them into the world. They must have thought that they are the best human being on earth. They have  scribbled these for a living. They would be  living longer  if they had begged on the streets of Europe .
When dozen of bullets ripped through their head and hand ,without doubt ,they must have definitely called  oh my God ( Allah in Arabic) or Jesus  whom they made fun of, not Je Suis Charlie. These jokers will see who will be sitting on that Chair on the day of judgement. Until let them make fun.

In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful
Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds;
Most Gracious, Most Merciful;
Master of the Day of Judgment.
Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek.
Show us the straightway,
The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray.
Amen.

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Post by WasteofTime on Thu Jan 15, 2015 8:44 pm

what happened in Nalanda is expansion of Turkish empire. Not only Nalanda, They did the same in eastern Europe and Muslim countries in middle east. We never blame Christianity for expansion of Holland, Portugal, Spain, German, Italy, France, England and now America. Do we?

Surah 28:56 "It is true thou wilt not be able to guide every one, whom thou lovest; but Allah guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance."

Surah 39:23 "Allah has revealed (from time to time) the best Hadith in the form of a Book, consistent with itself, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of Allah's praises. Such is the guidance of Allah. He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have none to guide."
Surah 42:13 "The same deen has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him)."
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Post by The Alchemist on Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:04 pm

#JeSuisCharlie? No I'm not really Charlie Hebdo; Here's why
by Sandip Roy Jan 8, 2015 7:20 IST

Well, not quite. I really am not Charlie Hebdo.

Nothing - no cartoon, no book, no song – justifies the kind of shooting rampage that happened in Paris. As Hassen Chalghoumi, the imam of Drancy mosque in Paris says, "These are criminals, barbarians. They have sold their souls to hell.”

And he is not talking about the cartoonists of Charlie Hebdo. He is talking about those who mowed them down and fled.
But the spontaneous outpouring of the #JeSuisCharlie hashtags also elides over the really thorny issue of free speech. While we want free speech to be absolute, in the real world, it is not. And even as we stand with Charlie Hebdo we cannot pretend not to understand that.
Today, as a tribute to Charlie Hebdo, outlets in India like Mint and NDTV have published a sort of collector's edition of some of their cartoons. It's a respectful gesture but it's also somewhat misleading.
Assuming most readers in India are not regular consumers of Charlie Hebdo's cartoons, it gives them a more sanitized, PG-rated impression of their fare. As Jacob Canfield writes in the Hooded Utilitarian, "its cartoons often represent a certain virulently racist brand of French xenophobia. While they generously claim to 'attack everyone equally', the cartoons they publish are intentionally 'anti-Islam' and frequently sexist and homophobic.”

And that's putting it mildly.

In reality, some of Charlie Hebdo's most offensive cartoons would not be published in most parts of the world. Few media outlets would print a cartoon of the Prophet Mohammad crouched on all fours with his genitals bared or show the Father, Son and Holy Ghost sodomizing each other. For that matter, most will balk at a cartoon like the one Onion put out showing a Lord Ganesha, Jesus, Moses, and Buddha all naked with erect phalluses having an orgy in the clouds? Now, that's being equal opportunity offenders but that remains way outside the pale for most of the world. Anyway, in a freedom of expression absolute, it should not matter if you are an equal opportunity offender or a one-sided offender.

Let's make no mistake - these cartoons are offensive to most people. And they are meant to be that way. They exist almost as a way to test freedom of expression to its limits rather than to make a satirical point. "This is the hardest part, the murder of the satirists in question does not prove that their satire was good,” writes Canfield. "Their satire was bad, and remains bad. Their satire was racist and remains racist.”

But that does not mean they deserved it. Not at all. The true mettle of freedom of expression is always tested against what we consider offensive or hateful or repugnant. That's where the protection of freedom of expression actually means something. It's easy to stand up for freedom of expression when we agree with the view point being depicted or do not care about it one way or the other. It gets far trickier when we are called upon to defend the right of someone to say what offends us deeply – whether it's about our religion, our mothers, or our national leaders. The right to offend always butts up against the right to be offended.

In India, the latter routinely trumps the former. We prescribe to the thumb rule – when in doubt, ban. A publication putting out something like the cartoons Charlie Hebdo was infamous for would be picketed and shut down in double quick time. Our laws protecting "communal harmony” have far more teeth than our laws protecting freedom of expression. That's why an NDTV or a Mint has to be careful about what images it selects from the Charlie Hebdo cartoons even as it wants to show solidarity.
As much as we might want to say "Charlie Hebdo tum aagey badho, hum tumharey saath hain” we cannot pretend that freedom of expression in India is the same as freedom of expression in France is the same as freedom of expression in the United States.
In an ideal world, the response to a cartoon that offends should be another cartoon. The response to a book that offends should be to not read it. The response to a film that offends could be a #BoycottPK social media campaign.

But the reality is there is no absolute right to free speech.

And yes, we forget that even France, which has become the embattled bastion of freedom of expression today, wears its own limits on its sleeve. Its staunch defence of freedom of expression did not prevent it from passing a ban on the niqab even though it was deliberately veiled as a ban on "clothing intended to conceal the face”. "Bans like these undermine the rights of women who choose to wear the veil and do little to protect anyone compelled to do so, just as laws in other countries forcing women to dress in a particular way undermine their rights,” says Izza Leghtas at Human Rights Watch. Between April 2011 and February 2014, French law enforcement fined 594 women for wearing the niqab.

A Reuters report points out that many of the cartoonists in Charlie Hebdo got their start in another satirical magazine called Hara Kiri which proclaimed its aim to be "inane and nasty”. That magazine was banned in 1970 after printing a mock death notice for General Charles de Gaulle. Its reincarnation after the ban was as Charlie Hebdo.

Everyone will read the lesson they want into the tragedy in Paris. Some will see it as proof that Muslim immigrants can never be truly French because they do not get what former President Nicholas Sarkozy called an "old French tradition, satire.” Some will see it as evidence of France's xenophobic attitude towards immigrants coming home to roost. Salman Rushdie sees the attack as "the deadly mutation in the heart of Islam” and how "religious totalitarianism combined with modern weaponry becomes a real threat to our freedom.” Of course, that "threat” is not news in many parts of the world. People being killed in Iraq and Syria by Isis or in Afghanistan by the Taliban have known that for a long long time. It just hits us harder when it hits us in Paris. Or Sydney. Or London.
And very ordinary Muslim immigrants minding their own business will probably bear the brunt of the backlash as Arabs and Sikhs in the US did post-9/11 for as Charbonnier, the editor of Charlie Hebdo once told Le Monde while defending his right to offend that "when activists need a pretext to justify their violence they will find it.”
But that argument offers us no answers to the knotty question of freedom of expression, an idea to which we all think we subscribe. Those JeSuisCharlie profile pictures on Facebook, perfect little squares all of them, create an image of geometric uniformity as if we subscribe to that right in equal measure. But if anything this tragedy forces us to admit that when it comes to what constitutes freedom of expression, most of us are not even close to being on the same page.

I think of myself as a staunch supporter of freedom of expression but I realize the disquieting truth that I could never publish some of the cartoons Charlie Hebdo did. It would go against every fibre of my being. But I will defend their right to exist and condemn what happened to them with every fibre of my being as well.

But I just cannot say #IAmCharlieHebdo.

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Post by කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා on Thu Jan 15, 2015 9:27 pm

Typical you.

Never answer my question direct but try to divert the subject matter to another. Very Happy

So, I am to assume that it is the cruel teaching that goes on perpetuating such crimes and avenging is just an excuse only.  Very Happy

Thanks you and I got the answer LOUD & CLEAR.

Oui, Je Suis Charlie. Very Happy

WasteofTime wrote:what happened in Nalanda is expansion of Turkish empire. Not only Nalanda, They did the same in eastern Europe and Muslim countries in middle east. We never blame Christianity for expansion of Holland, Portugal, Spain, German, Italy, France, England and now America. Do we?

Surah 28:56 "It is true thou wilt not be able to guide every one, whom thou lovest; but Allah guides those whom He will and He knows best those who receive guidance."

Surah 39:23 "Allah has revealed (from time to time) the best Hadith in the form of a Book, consistent with itself, (yet) repeating (its teaching in various aspects): the skins of those who fear their Lord tremble thereat; then their skins and their hearts do soften to the celebration of Allah's praises. Such is the guidance of Allah. He guides therewith whom He pleases, but such as Allah leaves to stray, can have none to guide."
Surah 42:13 "The same deen has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Noah - the which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Abraham, Moses, and Jesus: Namely, that ye should remain steadfast in religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him)."
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Post by jiggysaurus on Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:07 am

WasteofTime wrote:can you show the proof about 72 virgins?
Do you mean only Muslim kills, child abuse, salve and etc. Do you mean that Sri lanka is a Muslim country as you mentioned everything  happening there.

Talking with a person who justifies the murder of cartoonists is a utter waste of time.

But since you ask for proof here go read the sayings of your founder and learn his behavior and practices. Defa you will justify those as well.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins

Here are the reference to your founder's book. Go and read it
"Even though the Qur'an does not mention the number of virgins, it does say in verse 56:36 that Muslim men will be awarded with virgins in Paradise. The Qur'an describes their physical attributes, for example they will have large eyes (56:22) and big breasts (78:33) and so on. The actual number of virgins is thus a minor issue and 72 is the number of those virgins confirmed in multiple hadith. The hadiths are a crucial part of Islam and certain Muslims ignore them because sometimes they contain uncomfortable details about Islam. There are many hadiths and Qur'anic verses which talk about various issues of a sexual nature. According to Sahih Bukhari 1:5:268 which belongs to the most authentic collection of hadiths"
sourced from http://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins

Above is an utter waste of time but since the waste of time wanted proof and he seems not to know the teachings of his cult i'm providing the reference. Await the justification.

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Post by jiggysaurus on Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:14 am

කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා wrote:Typical you.

Never answer my question direct but try to divert the subject matter to another. Very Happy


This is a well know tactic of this specific cult.

The more that people like Waste of Time write the more the lunacy of their cult is brought out from their own writings.
Normal people can understand the dangers posed by the stone age teachings, practices and behavior of stone age cults. This is why the lunatics try to kill cartoonists and journalists who question or criticize them.

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Post by WasteofTime on Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:03 pm

Dear Fellow citizen Kithsiri and jiggy,
Noted ,You both love Charlie who does not understand language other than French. That is why you declare that you are Charlie in French. Did you declare the same when our own journalists were killed in Sri lanka? Did you at least Visit the Parents ,widowed wives, orphaned children of their? If yes, How many times? One minute? One hour? One day? One week? One month? one year? One decade? So, you did not weep for our fellow citizen, but neglected their sacrifices and now you want to be cheese eating Kalu Charlie? The Gang of Charlie has become a zero from hero. How long will this Charlie fever l last?

Pls show me proof from clear authentic Quran and hadiths quotes if Islam teaches any of the things you have mentioned? Pls do not show one link from internet. Pls read fairly from 10 Islamic sites and 30 non Islamic sites and analyse and forward to me .I will come back to your religion If you can prove. I was born in Maha Ambalangoda. No need to explain what my religion was. If Islam teaches violence ,why has it to happen in Muslim countries ? Who was behind Ascension and dissension of dictators in those countries? Who is behind those violence there?
We never blame Christianity for expansion of European and US colonisation, we never blame Christianity for first and second world war. We never blame Buddhism for Japan invasion of Asian countries and US. We never blame Buddhism for expansion of Genghis Khan empire from East to the centre of Europe. But you blame Islam for the third world war which is being happening because you are witnessing the conflict leash upon Muslims and their retaliation .

Dear Jiggy Sir,
I see 99.9% of your comments in this forum are criticising or blaming others. but only 0.01% was supporting at least SLFP during this election. I have no problem with your supporting any party. However, Did you know your party Assistant leader Karuna , one time terrorist , not acquitted in any courts , had killed thousands of Srilankan including monks, journalists, worshipers and children. Did you know that he came to parliament with your (national list) votes ?Why are you double standard or ignorance ? why do you support a killer representing party? Why do you cry for French not Sri Lankan?
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Post by jiggysaurus on Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:26 pm

Kithsiri you were right.

Paw cult member can't answer questions directly but try to divert the subject matter to another.

Mu dang ahaka yana Karuna wa allaganne dangalanawa.

What a sad waste of time.

JE SUIS CHARLIE

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Post by WasteofTime on Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:49 pm

Dear Master of all trade

Karuna killed fellow Sri Lankan Journalist. You did not stand against him or his party. But you want to stand against for nothing in france .


quote="jiggysaurus"]Kithsiri you were right.

Paw cult member can't answer questions directly but try to divert the subject matter to another.

Mu dang ahaka yana Karuna wa allaganne dangalanawa.

What a sad waste of time.

JE SUIS CHARLIE[/quote]
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Post by The Alchemist on Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:36 pm

Dear liberal pundit,

You and I didn’t like George W Bush. Remember his puerile declaration after 9/11 that “either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists”? Yet now, in the wake of another horrific terrorist attack, you appear to have updated Dubbya’s slogan: either you are with free speech . . . or you are against it. Either vous êtes Charlie Hebdo . . . or you’re a freedom-hating fanatic.

I’m writing to you to make a simple request: please stop. You think you’re defying the terrorists when, in reality, you’re playing into their bloodstained hands by dividing and demonising. Us and them. The enlightened and liberal west v the backward, barbaric Muslims. The massacre in Paris on 7 January was, you keep telling us, an attack on free speech. The conservative former French president Nicolas Sarkozy agrees, calling it “a war declared on civilisation”. So, too, does the liberal-left pin-up Jon Snow, who crassly tweeted about a “clash of civilisations” and referred to “Europe’s belief in freedom of expression”.

In the midst of all the post-Paris grief, hypocrisy and hyperbole abounds. Yes, the attack was an act of unquantifiable evil; an inexcusable and merciless murder of innocents. But was it really a “bid to assassinate” free speech (ITV’s Mark Austin), to “desecrate” our ideas of “free thought” (Stephen Fry)? It was a crime – not an act of war – perpetrated by disaffected young men; radicalised not by drawings of the Prophet in Europe in 2006 or 2011, as it turns out, but by images of US torture in Iraq in 2004.

Please get a grip. None of us believes in an untrammelled right to free speech. We all agree there are always going to be lines that, for the purposes of law and order, cannot be crossed; or for the purposes of taste and decency, should not be crossed. We differ only on where those lines should be drawn.

Has your publication, for example, run cartoons mocking the Holocaust? No? How about caricatures of the 9/11 victims falling from the twin towers? I didn’t think so (and I am glad it hasn’t). Consider also the “thought experiment” offered by the Oxford philosopher Brian Klug. Imagine, he writes, if a man had joined the “unity rally” in Paris on 11 January “wearing a badge that said ‘Je suis Chérif’” – the first name of one of the Charlie Hebdo gunmen. Suppose, Klug adds, he carried a placard with a cartoon mocking the murdered journalists. “How would the crowd have reacted? . . . Would they have seen this lone individual as a hero, standing up for liberty and freedom of speech? Or would they have been profoundly offended?” Do you disagree with Klug’s conclusion that the man “would have been lucky to get away with his life”?

Let’s be clear: I agree there is no justification whatsoever for gunning down journalists or cartoonists. I disagree with your seeming view that the right to offend comes with no corresponding responsibility; and I do not believe that a right to offend automatically translates into a duty to offend.

When you say “Je suis Charlie”, is that an endorsement of Charlie Hebdo’s depiction of the French justice minister, Christiane Taubira, who is black, drawn as a monkey? Of crude caricatures of bulbous-nosed Arabs that must make Edward Said turn in his grave?

Lampooning racism by reproducing brazenly racist imagery is a pretty dubious satirical tactic. Also, as the former Charlie Hebdo journalist Olivier Cyran argued in 2013, an “Islamophobic neurosis gradually took over” the magazine after 9/11, which then effectively endorsed attacks on "members of a minority religion with no influence in the corridors of power".

It's for these reasons that I can't "be", don’t want to “be", Charlie – if anything, we should want to be Ahmed, the Muslim policeman who was killed while protecting the magazine’s right to exist. As the novelist Teju Cole has observed, “It is possible to defend the right to obscene . . . speech without promoting or sponsoring the content of that speech.”

And why have you been so silent on the glaring double standards? Did you not know that Charlie Hebdo sacked the veteran French cartoonist Maurice Sinet in 2008 for making an allegedly anti-Semitic remark? Were you not aware that Jyllands-Posten, the Danish newspaper that published caricatures of the Prophet in 2005, reportedly rejected cartoons mocking Christ because they would “provoke an outcry” and proudly declared it would “in no circumstances . . . publish Holocaust cartoons”?

Muslims, I guess, are expected to have thicker skins than their Christian and Jewish brethren. Context matters, too. You ask us to laugh at a cartoon of the Prophet while ignoring the vilification of Islam across the continent (have you visited Germany lately?) and the widespread discrimination against Muslims in education, employment and public life – especially in France. You ask Muslims to denounce a handful of extremists as an existential threat to free speech while turning a blind eye to the much bigger threat to it posed by our elected leaders.

Does it not bother you to see Barack Obama – who demanded that Yemen keep the anti-drone journalist Abdulelah Haider Shaye behind bars, after he was convicted on “terrorism-related charges” in a kangaroo court – jump on the free speech ban wagon? Weren’t you sickened to see Benjamin Netanyahu, the prime minister of a country that was responsible for the killing of seven journalists in Gaza in 2014, attend the “unity rally” in Paris? Bibi was joined by Angela Merkel, chancellor of a country where Holocaust denial is punishable by up to five years in prison, and David Cameron, who wants to ban non-violent “extremists” committed to the “overthrow of democracy” from appearing on television.

Then there are your readers. Will you have a word with them, please? According to a 2011 YouGov poll, 82 per cent of voters backed the prosecution of protesters who set fire to poppies.

Apparently, it isn’t just Muslims who get offended.

Yours faithfully,

Mehdi.

Mehdi Hasan is a New Statesman contributing writer and the political director of the Huffington Post UK, where this column is crossposted

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Post by slstock on Fri Jan 16, 2015 2:42 pm

People,

I remind you religious discussions often bring heartache .

All I can state is whatever you religion is don't follow your faith blindly but use your brain to understand/ analyze what is right and wrong to make your own judgement .

Also in this forum, respect other religious as every religion has good and bad people.
It is sad to see extremism creeping more and more into religions nowadays. ( In muslims, buddhists and christians)



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Re: Cartoon Today

Post by Ethical Trader on Fri Jan 16, 2015 3:46 pm

I visited Nalanda last month.

According to the guide, around 12000 monks were killed, a library was burnt with some student monks alive perishing with it.

However, according to the reports of the invaders they say; "We attacked a fortress with over 12000 soldiers all wearing yellow robes but they never resisted our invasion or faught back but died silently."

When I heard this horific story, tears fell from eyes on their cruelty of killing/burning innocent monks but being a Buddhist I have no ill-felings over the ignorant invaders who believed them to be soldiers.

The Monks may have done similar deeds in their previous births & their Karma brought this bad thing on them.

Similar things have happened all over the world in the past but that does not justify any current or future incidents at any rate either in the name of a religion or any political ideology.

Religion is a very sensitive issue which need to be handlled with care. If modern-day freedom of speech or writing hurts the religious feelings of a section of the polulation one must re-visit its principles & restrain his acts.

At the same time, one must never kill a person who exercised his freedom of speech or writing or for over-stepping his freedom as there are civilised means of taking action against them.

Killing a person is a babaric act of beasts not suitable for a civilised man.

Guys enough is said by both sides on the subject. ?Shall we stop discussing this topic & get back to stocks.
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Post by The Alchemist on Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:00 pm

The Diversity of Islam
OCT. 8, 2014

Nicholas Kristof
New York Times OP-ED Column

A few days ago, I was on a panel on Bill Maher’s television show on HBO that became a religious war.

Whether or not Islam itself inspires conflict, debates about it certainly do. Our conversation degenerated into something close to a shouting match and went viral on the web. Maher and a guest, Sam Harris, argued that Islam is dangerous yet gets a pass from politically correct liberals, while the actor Ben Affleck denounced their comments as “gross” and “racist.” I sided with Affleck.

After the show ended, we panelists continued to wrangle on the topic for another hour with the cameras off. Maher ignited a debate that is rippling onward, so let me offer three points of nuance.

First, historically, Islam was not particularly intolerant, and it initially elevated the status of women. Anybody looking at the history even of the 20th century would not single out Islam as the bloodthirsty religion; it was Christian/Nazi/Communist Europe and Buddhist/Taoist/Hindu/atheist Asia that set records for mass slaughter.

Likewise, it is true that the Quran has passages hailing violence, but so does the Bible, which recounts God ordering genocides, such as the one against the Amalekites.

Second, today the Islamic world includes a strain that truly is disproportionately intolerant and oppressive. Barbarians in the Islamic State cite their faith as the reason for their monstrous behavior — most recently beheading a British aid worker devoted to saving Muslim lives — and give all Islam a bad name. Moreover, of the 10 bottom-ranking countries in the World Economic Forum’s report on women’s rights, nine are majority Muslim. In Afghanistan, Jordan and Egypt, more than three-quarters of Muslims favor the death penalty for Muslims who renounce their faith, according to a Pew survey.

The persecution of Christians, Ahmadis, Yazidis, Bahai — and Shiites — is far too common in the Islamic world. We should speak up about it.

Third, the Islamic world contains multitudes: It is vast and varied. Yes, almost four out of five Afghans favor the death penalty for apostasy, but most Muslims say that that is nuts. In Indonesia, the most populous Muslim country in the world, only 16 percent of Muslims favor such a penalty. In Albania, Azerbaijan, and Kazakhstan, only 2 percent or fewer Muslims favor it, according to the Pew survey.

Beware of generalizations about any faith because they sometimes amount to the religious equivalent of racial profiling. Hinduism contained both Gandhi and the fanatic who assassinated him. The Dalai Lama today is an extraordinary humanitarian, but the fifth Dalai Lama in 1660 ordered children massacred “like eggs smashed against rocks.”

Christianity encompassed the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. and also the 13th century papal legate who in France ordered the massacre of 20,000 Cathar men, women and children for heresy, reportedly saying: Kill them all; God will know his own.

One of my scariest encounters was with mobs of Javanese Muslims who were beheading people they accused of sorcery and carrying their heads on pikes. But equally repugnant was the Congo warlord who styled himself a Pentecostal pastor; while facing charges of war crimes, he invited me to dinner and said a most pious grace.

The caricature of Islam as a violent and intolerant religion is horrendously incomplete. Remember that those standing up to Muslim fanatics are mostly Muslims. In Pakistan, a gang of Muslim men raped a young Muslim woman named Mukhtar Mai as punishment for a case involving her brother; after testifying against her attackers and winning in the courts, she selflessly used the compensation money she received from the government to start a school for girls in her village. The Taliban gunmen who shot Malala Yousafzai for advocating for education were Muslims; so was Malala.

Iran has persecuted Christians and Bahais, but a Muslim lawyer, Mohammad Ali Dadkhah, showed enormous courage by challenging the repression and winning release of a pastor. Dadkhah is now serving a nine-year prison sentence.

A lawyer friend of mine in Pakistan, Rashid Rehman, was a great champion of human rights and religious tolerance — and was assassinated this year by fundamentalists who stormed his office.

Sure, denounce the brutality, sexism and intolerance that animate the Islamic State and constitute a significant strain within Islam. But don’t confuse that with all Islam: Heroes like Mukhtar, Malala, Dadkhah and Rehman also represent an important element.

Let’s not feed Islamophobic bigotry by highlighting only the horrors while neglecting the diversity of a religion with 1.6 billion adherents — including many who are champions of tolerance, modernity and human rights. The great divide is not between faiths, but one between intolerant zealots of any tradition and the large numbers of decent, peaceful believers likewise found in each tradition.

Maybe that is too complicated to convey in a TV brawl. But it’s the reality.

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Post by WasteofTime on Fri Jan 16, 2015 4:29 pm

Murdered Charlie Hebdo editor 'dragged the team' to their death: Founding member of controversial magazine says increasingly provocative cartoons led to shooting

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Post by jiggysaurus on Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:01 pm

WasteofTime wrote:Murdered Charlie Hebdo editor 'dragged the team' to their death: Founding member of controversial magazine says increasingly provocative cartoons led to shooting

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2912329/Murdered-Charlie-Hebdo-editor-dragged-team-death-Founding-member-controversial-magazine-says-increasingly-provocative-cartoons-led-shooting.html#ixzz3Oysj3OXJ
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Defa Defa, Charlie Hebdo cartoonists shot themselves and dragged themselves to death. The cult of peace is always open to criticism and questioning and would never kill cartoonists.

Here is another dailymail source to read at your pleasure
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2872884/Our-faith-condones-raping-underage-slaves-ISIS-publishes-shocking-guidebook-telling-fighters-buy-sell-abuse-captured-women.html


Sad how some "humans" try to justify the murder of cartoonists. Sad what religion/cult/deitifying cult founders does to people.

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Post by කිත්සිරි ද සිල්වා on Fri Jan 16, 2015 5:50 pm

What a waste of time, if one has to kill innocent people cold-blooded to enjoy busties in heaven.
Those fools and all the innocent people they have gun down cold-blooded could have been still alive if they have gone to Pigalle instead of Charlie Hebdo office. Very Happy
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Post by WasteofTime on Fri Jan 16, 2015 7:15 pm

Dear Jiggy/Kithsiri Sirs,

you are suffering from Depression. But no medicine for that. Can you prove that your people have never killed any one? I come back to your religion. Why double standard?
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